Freeplay: What VP strategy sheets to have for any game?
the pay tables change depending on denom.
and when there isn't any to vulture, i'll play either 7/5 JoB or 9/6 JoB (depending on casino).
I carry 3 strategy tables (all on 1 sheet):
9/6 JoB
Deuces Wild (full pay 1,2,2,3,4,8,15 etc)
Deuces Wild (airport 1,2,3,4,4 etc)
i can use the JoB strategy for BP, DB, and DDB.
Since it's freeplay, I'm not aiming for perfect play. i just want something close.
Any other strategy sheets i should use?
and what strategy sheets would you bring if you were in my situation?
Who has 7/5 but not 8/5 (at least at 25c level), besides TI (in which case, go up the escalator and hop on the next tram to the Mirage - there should be a bank or two of 8/5s near the entrance to Carnegie Deli)?
Quote: ThatDonGuy
Who has 7/5 but not 8/5 (at least at 25c level), besides TI (in which case, go up the escalator and hop on the next tram to the Mirage - there should be a bank or two of 8/5s near the entrance to Carnegie Deli)?
OP doesn't play in Vegas, fwiw. And 7/5 job and 8/5 job are pretty close to identical and both are pretty close to 9/6 JoB. JoB strategy is very robust among paytables
I'd be much more concerned about using JoB strategy for DB and DDB. Using JoB strategy to a tee costs you over 0.5% in these games.
Most of the big changes aren't difficult though. I wrote up a treatise on how to modify JoB strategy to other popular variants.
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?112319-How-do-you-know-ALL-the-video-poker-strategies&p=1020345#post1020345
Quote: tringlomaneMajor deviations from Jacks or Better/Bonus Poker strategy:
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Double Double Bonus/Triple Bonus Plus:
Straight/flush draw changes:
Inside straight draw better than garbage
Inside straight draw with 2 high cards better than two offsuit high cards. (e.g. QJT8 is better than QJ offsuit)
If flush is 6 for 1, 3 to Royal is better than 4 to flush UNLESS Royal draw has Ace AND Ten in it
KQJ suited and QJT suited is better than KK, QQ, JJ (except when DDB flush pays 5 for 1)
Ace high changes:
Ace only better than AH offsuit or KH offsuit (H=high card)...you still hold QJ offsuit vs. Ace
Break two pair with Aces
Break Aces full
***7/5 TB+ and 7/5 DDB only: Break Aces, 2s, 3s, 4s full
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Bonus Deluxe:
See Straight/Flush draw rules for DDB/TB+
EXCEPT
High pairs are ALWAYS better than 3 to a Royal
Offsuit high cards follow JoB.
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Double Bonus:
Follow ALL of DDB/TB+ straight/flush strategy plus...
IF flush is 7 for 1:
4 to a flush is ALWAYS better than 3 to a Royal
3 to a flush is better than garbage
3 to a flush with a high card is better than high card only
3 to a flush with 2 high cards is better than 2 to a Royal
If flush is 6 or 7 for 1, KQJ suited and QJT suited is better than KK, QQ, JJ
If the straight draw is 5 for 1 (you shouldn't be playing the game otherwise):
Outside straight draws are better than low pairs.
Inside straight draws with one or more high cards is better than 2 offsuit high cards. (e.g A345Q hold A345 vs. AQ offsuit)
QJT offsuit is better than QJ offsuit
Offsuit high cards follow JoB.
Break Aces full.
When the full house is 9 for 1:
Break Two Pair with Aces.
When the full house is 10 for 1:
Always hold 2 pair.
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If you use 9/6 JoB strategy and insist on not changing anything, it costs you:
0.60% at 7/5 Triple Bonus Plus.
0.54% at 9/5 DDB
0.63% at 9/7 DB
vs.
0.034% at 8/6 Bonus Deluxe
0.008% at 6/5 Bonus
I don't care what anyone says about illegal cheating devices. Just pretend you are looking at your phone.
I agree....we need some test cases.Quote: teddysI would get Wizard Video Poker if you have an Apple device.
I don't care what anyone says about illegal cheating devices. Just pretend you are looking at your phone.
Talk to Bob...Quote: AxelWolfI agree....we need some test cases.
Speaking of which, I wonder how his case at the Supreme Court went?
I added DDB to my new strategy sheet to be used for vulturing any Ultimate X:
front side: 9/6 JoB, 10/6 DDB
backside: FPDW (1-2-2-3-5-9-15), NSUD (1-2-3-4-4-10-16)
going to use the 9/6 JoB strategy for any paytable of JoB + BP.
Gong to use 10/6 DDB for any paytable of DB + DDB.
use FPDW for any Deuces Wild paytable that starts with 1-2-2-3-5.
Use NSUD strategy for paytable that starts with 1-2-3-4-4.
How does that sound?
What am I giving up by using just these 4 strategy sheets?
what am I giving up by:
- using 9/6 JoB strategy for any paytable of JoB + BP.
- using 10/6 DDB for any paytable of DB + DDB.
Quote: 100xOddsbump
what am I giving up by:
- using 9/6 JoB strategy for any paytable of JoB + BP.
- using 10/6 DDB for any paytable of DB + DDB.
- Not enough to care (<0.01%).
- DDB, again basically this (like 0.03%)
- DB...a lot depending on paytable.
10/7/5 - 0.325%
9/7/5 - 0.345%
9/6/5 - 0.166%
Quote: tringlomane
- DB...a lot depending on paytable.
10/7/5 - 0.325%
9/7/5 - 0.345%
9/6/5 - 0.166%
thx.
this casino's Ultimate X doesn't pay much.. ~97.5% is the most.
so for BP, maybe 9/7/4.
heck, 9/6/4 and 8/6 are probably more likely as the best at $1 level. worse at lower denoms
Quote: 100xOddsthx.
this casino's Ultimate X doesn't pay much.. ~97.5% is the most.
so for BP, maybe 9/7/4. heck, 9/6/4 and 8/6 are more likely as the best $1 level. worse at lower denoms
When both the flush turns to 6 and the straight turns to 4 on Double Bonus, then the game is much, much more in line with 9/6 DDB strategy. The bonus payouts on quads with kickers in DDB does very little to change the strategy, it's the flush/straight paybacks that matter the most.
10/6/4 DB (it's never 9/7/4 for UX) and 9/6/4 DB strategy errors from using 9/6 DDB strategy shrink to about 0.01%, enough to forget about. Of course, betting 10 on UX changes strategy again.
Quote: rudeboyoiSomeone should develop a video poker app that looks like texting. The game/pay table you select is the "person" you're talking to. You have something that looks like a keyboard but in its place are the cards. Like one keyboard has half the deck. Then you hit a shift/ctrl/symbol to access the other half of the deck. Then when you "text" the hand. It sends you back a "text" of the cards you should hold.
I think that's a pretty good idea. You wouldn't even have to have a shift: make 2 entries per card, with 13+1 rank keys and 4 suit keys. No overlap with S,H,D,C and A,K,Q,J,T - so AH would be Ace of Hearts, 4C would be 4 of clubs, etc. W for Wild Joker; 2W for wild deuce.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think that's a pretty good idea. You wouldn't even have to have a shift: make 2 entries per card, with 13+1 rank keys and 4 suit keys. No overlap with S,H,D,C and A,K,Q,J,T - so AH would be Ace of Hearts, 4C would be 4 of clubs, etc. W for Wild Joker; 2W for wild deuce.
Thanks. I was thinking that a camera can't actually see the individual symbols on the keyboard since theyre too small so putting a symbol for each card on each of the 26 letter keys would just make it simpler and quicker to use.
So it's just inconspicuous? if so, that doesn't help with the legality.Quote: rudeboyoiSomeone should develop a video poker app that looks like texting. The game/pay table you select is the "person" you're talking to. You have something that looks like a keyboard but in its place are the cards. Like one keyboard has half the deck. Then you hit a shift/ctrl/symbol to access the other half of the deck. Then when you "text" the hand. It sends you back a "text" of the cards you should hold.
Quote: AxelWolfSo it's just inconspicuous? if so, that doesn't help with the legality.
Oh it would still be illegal. But they wouldn't be able to tell without directly staring at your phone. Regardless, I'm still waiting to hear about a person being prosecuted over this. Hell I haven't even heard someone being told, "hey, you can't use that."
I agree it's unlikely, however lets say you find a good promotion and you're using your phone to look up a few hands here and there. Now you hit a big Royal or something and they realize you're an AP and took advantage of a promotion and they are not happy, so they decide to press charges.Quote: tringlomaneOh it would still be illegal. But they wouldn't be able to tell without directly staring at your phone. Regardless, I'm still waiting to hear about a person being prosecuted over this. Hell I haven't even heard someone being told, "hey, you can't use that."
Perhaps they wan't a UX hustler gone. They could use that as leverage.
I have heard stories of them going after card counters for allegedly using chips to count cards.
Quote: AxelWolfI agree it's unlikely, however lets say you find a good promotion and you're using your phone to look up a few hands here and there. Now you hit a big Royal or something and they realize you're an AP and took advantage of a promotion and they are not happy, so they decide to press charges.
Perhaps they wan't a UX hustler gone. They could use that as leverage.
I have heard stories of them going after card counters for allegedly using chips to count cards.
That would be the whole point of the app to be able to deny you were ever doing anything but texting.
Quote: AxelWolfI agree it's unlikely, however lets say you find a good promotion and you're using your phone to look up a few hands here and there. Now you hit a big Royal or something and they realize you're an AP and took advantage of a promotion and they are not happy, so they decide to press charges.
Perhaps they wan't a UX hustler gone. They could use that as leverage.
I have heard stories of them going after card counters for allegedly using chips to count cards.
Yeah, I have too. Specifically either stacking in particular amounts or turning the inserts or designs to clock points to indicate values.
