Ultimate X Headscratcher.
Quote: RogerKintWouldnt it be nice if that line always awarded a multiplier for small pair?
I'd still be playing!!!
Quote: bigfoot66Right. The problem is on the bottom line. Ultimate X awards multipliers for the next hand based on the outcome of the previous hand. In this case the previous hand was a pair of 8's but the game awarded a 2x multiplier for the next hand. The 2x multiplier is the award for jacks or better. A pair of 8's is a losing hand and should not have awarded a multiplier for the next hand.
The hand shown doesn't always correlate to the last hand played on that denomination. For example, the last person that played 5-play double double bonus may have bricked that open ended straight draw for nickels instead. Then that hand gets displayed for all 5-play DDB games available. Why the machine does this, I have no idea.
Quote: tringlomaneThe hand shown doesn't always correlate to the last hand played on that denomination. For example, the last person that played 5-play double double bonus may have bricked that open ended straight draw for nickels instead. Then that hand gets displayed for all 5-play DDB games available. Why the machine does this, I have no idea.
This is correct, but only if the paytable is the same.
Quote: vetsenThis is correct, but only if the paytable is the same.
I agree.
One puzzler I've noted, more than once, is a winning hand with no next-hand multiplier on any of the 3 denominations.
Quote: 21formeI agree.
One puzzler I've noted, more than once, is a winning hand with no next-hand multiplier on any of the 3 denominations.
probably short coined it
Quote: GWAEprobably short coined it
Probably so. I should have said the coin in meter was 10. That means someone short coined a winning hand, someone else came along, played another denomination with 10 coins in, lost and left.
Quote: bigfoot66I was vulturing Ultimate X at Harrah's Ak-Chin and ran into this, which I have never seen before and should be impossible based on my understanding of the game. Can anyone explain this?
What variety of VP is Ultimate X? Where can I find the best info on vulturing, understanding and playing the game? (I tried to figure out Multi-Strike. Even the slot attendants didn't understand it.)
Thanks in advance
Quote: GreasyjohnQuote: bigfoot66I was vulturing Ultimate X at Harrah's Ak-Chin and ran into this, which I have never seen before and should be impossible based on my understanding of the game. Can anyone explain this?
What variety of VP is Ultimate X? Where can I find the best info on vulturing, understanding and playing the game? (I tried to figure out Multi-Strike. Even the slot attendants didn't understand it.)
Thanks in advance
In UX, you can (optionally) bet 10 credits per hand instead of 5. For the extra 5 credits, you get a mutliplier (generally between 2x and 12x) for the next hand when you get a winner. So, if someone abandons a game with a multiplier on the next hand, you can play it for 5 credits and have a monstrous edge (note that even a bad VP game will return 95%, so a 2x multiplier makes it return 190% -- that's a 90% edge for you)
Multistrike is not vulturable, because nothing persists between hands. You pay for up to 4 hands, but, instead of getting to play them all, you only play the first one. If it's a winner, you get to play the 2nd one with a 2x multiplier. If that's a winner, you get to play the 3rd hand with a 4x multiplier. If that's a winner, you get to play the 4th hand with an 8x multipler. So, basically, you trade playing the hands all the time for playing them only sometimes, with multipliers.
WoO has good descriptions of most of the games.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMostly correct. First, the largest multiplier is 12x mainly on quarter games and better. Second, only hands with a multiplier have an edge. If you find a ten play game with only a 2x on the first hand, only that hand has an edge. If the game is 95%, that first hand is 190% but all of the others are still only 95%. Now don't get discouraged because even in this scenario, you still have an overall edge on the game.
Of course. My point is, even if one hand has a 2x multiplier, you still have an edge. And you don't need to play all the hands, do you? So if one of the first hands has an edge, you can just play the first few.
As for the multipliers, I've seen 12x for a straight on 5c machines as well. I didn't realize that they varied by denom (usually, I've seen the payouts vary but the multipliers be the same). The multipliers do vary from game to game though.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceOf course. My point is, even if one hand has a 2x multiplier, you still have an edge. And you don't need to play all the hands, do you? So if one of the first hands has an edge, you can just play the first few.
As for the multipliers, I've seen 12x for a straight on 5c machines as well. I didn't realize that they varied by denom (usually, I've seen the payouts vary but the multipliers be the same). The multipliers do vary from game to game though.
Thanks, all, for the replies. What is a brick? Is that just slang for the "rectangular " card that is drawn that does nothing to improve? And in the photo of the screen that started this thread, where it says 2 x in the lower left, that's what you want to look for? That means the prior player had a winner and then cashed out, but could have played the next hand that would have paid double if it won, but cashed out and left?
I thought I had read it somewhere maybe it was posted by zscore but now I can`t find it. I also was at a casino recently that has 10 Ultx machines,which I have vultured in the past.This time after checking them multiple times I never found one multiplier on any denomination,this is why I asked.Quote: IbeatyouracesNo. That would make the game pay less than advertised.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNo. That would make the game pay less than advertised.
Actually, you are allowed to do that. I don't know if any Ultimate X games do it, but some of the slot machines I have done in Nevada clear the bonus when a player cashes out or runs out of credits. If they run out of credits they have x seconds to insert more money before the bonus clears.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMaybe, but slots are not VP. With slots, you'll never know the payback percentage. With VP you will and if multipliers are disappearing on Ultimate X, then the payback is not true to the paytable. If I ever see this on a VP game, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be lawsuits.
Maybe, but you will lose. In video poker the theoretical is based on perfect play, perfect play would include not leaving the machine with a multiplier on it.
Quote: HunterhillI thought I had read it somewhere maybe it was posted by zscore but now I can`t find it. I also was at a casino recently that has 10 Ultx machines,which I have vultured in the past.This time after checking them multiple times I never found one multiplier on any denomination,this is why I asked.
Wasn't me. I just recently learned about this game and the "vultureing". There are 5 or 6 of them at a Casino I visit. I'll have to look for some opportunities next time I'm there.
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Quote: bigfoot66I was vulturing Ultimate X at Harrah's Ak-Chin and ran into this, which I have never seen before and should be impossible based on my understanding of the game. Can anyone explain this?
Could someone explain this to me? It looks like the player played 5 hands and none of them won. So why is there a multiplier on the next hand? And how would you exploit it? Just put in 5 bucks on a 25 cent game, play 5 coins, one hand, and if you lose cash out? Or could you use the 2 x and play the highest denomination for a max bet? Obviously, I don't know much but am trying to learn.
