Have you seen three-coin max play?
While visiting the casino yesterday, I cam across a couple of these machines at a bar. It is 3-coin max play video poker.
Is this something you guys have seen before?
BHD
Quote: BlackHawkDownIt is 3-coin max play video poker.
Is this something you guys have seen before?
Rarely. As mentioned, it's usually only implemented at high denominations where a 5-coin bet would be whole lot of money.
That looks like a crappy game unfortunately because it's 9/6/4 Double Bonus, whereas the other game you mentioned was 9/6/5.
I calculate a return below 98% for those jackpot levels.
Quote: gpac1377
That looks like a crappy game unfortunately because it's 9/6/4 Double Bonus, whereas the other game you mentioned was 9/6/5.
I calculate a return below 98% for those jackpot levels.
Yeah a lot of casual players overlook when the straight pays 4 in that game. I have seen a lot of players fall for 8/5/4 DB too. :(
Quote: BlackHawkDownHi.
While visiting the casino yesterday, I cam across a couple of these machines at a bar. It is 3-coin max play video poker.
Is this something you guys have seen before?
BHD
Yes, but they are rare. You need to do the obligatory here and clock the meters.
Quote: mickeycrimmYes, but they are rare. You need to do the obligatory here and clock the meters.
Can you explain why it's so important to clock the meters? When I see a progressive machine, I will play it if it's currently positive EV, and I won't play it otherwise. Should I be doing something different?
For a single machine I see why it's important, but for a bank of machines, this is less clear, since my chances of hitting it are mostly determined by how many other people are playing max credits and how fast they are playing compared to me.
Quote: BuzzardHey Mickey, are any of the old gang here ???? ...... http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/cheatershalloffame.php
Dustin Marks:
Clip-on ties were awesome. I donated all mine to a charity that creates Halloween costumes for underprivileged dogs.
But I never had a clip-on collar.
Quote: BuzzardGee, a bible salesman at my door last week looked just like Dustin. Hair was a little grayer.
Hmm, I don't see that in his bio, but possibly door-to-door sales is what he does for fun.
Quote: BuzzardHey, he could have found religion. Nah, forget that. Better odds on Mickey becoming a teetotaler.
LOL, no comment.
Back to the subject for a moment, clocking gives you an idea of potential, so you can establish scouting priorities. I guess the meter rate also factors in to EV calculations, although I'm often lazy about such calculations.
Quote: BlackHawkDownHi.
While visiting the casino yesterday, I cam across a couple of these machines at a bar. It is 3-coin max play video poker.
Is this something you guys have seen before?
I've never seen it at quarters, but I've seen it once at dollars, and once at $5. Where it's very common is $100 denomination; I think I've seen 3-coin $100 more often than I've seen 5-coin $100. It keeps three of a kind from being a W2G.
That's on IGT Game Kings. On the old coin-droppers, anything goes. 8-coin, 4-coin, 1-coin, 7-coin...
Quote: mickeycrimmQuote: BlackHawkDownHi.
While visiting the casino yesterday, I cam across a couple of these machines at a bar. It is 3-coin max play video poker.
Is this something you guys have seen before?
BHD
Yes, but they are rare. You need to do the obligatory here and clock the meters.
OK.
Can I clock them using max bet and count by 3 to get the coins played?
Last time clocking meters I played one coin at a time and hit three 4OAK while counting.
If I'm going to play to clock meters, I prefer to do it at max bet in case I win some hands...
So, if I count by 3's and get something like 21 coins, or 42 coins, I can just assume 20 and 40, right?
BHD.
ps. since it is at a bar, am I required to drink? ;-)
No of course you don't have to drink at the bar. But the fact this game is at the bar confounds me even more. Does your local casino offer comped alcohol? If so, this could be worse for the casino than the 25-penny progressive I saw at Isle of Capri KC. Comped drinks are illegal in Missouri tho, so the cheap video poker might be a ruse to keep you at the bar buying Boulevard beer at $4.50 a whack. Worked for one round on me at least...lol
Quote: BlackHawkDownOK.
Can I clock them using max bet and count by 3 to get the coins played?
Last time clocking meters I played one coin at a time and hit three 4OAK while counting.
If I'm going to play to clock meters, I prefer to do it at max bet in case I win some hands...
So, if I count by 3's and get something like 21 coins, or 42 coins, I can just assume 20 and 40, right?
BHD.
ps. since it is at a bar, am I required to drink? ;-)
No, you are not required to drink at the bar. Yes, you can max bet and figure the meters out. Everything will be proportional. Your expected loss clocking the meters will be higher with the max bet even though your theoretical is a little higher because of the larger pay on the royal.
PS, Tring, if I remember correctly, by law there are no free drinks in Colorado.
http://www.americangaming.org/industry-resources/research/fact-sheets/casino-alcohol-policies
Damn Midwest teetotalers...
Quote: tringlomaneActually it looks like Colorado can offer free drinks.
http://www.americangaming.org/industry-resources/research/fact-sheets/casino-alcohol-policies
Damn Midwest teetotalers...
Yes, Colorado casinos can offer free drinks, but whether they do or not is the question. :-)
*EDIT* +EV will be a mixture of excesses, the largest effect being the Quad-Aces. $180 (3/2 of std $120) adds .01815 and the Current JP is also 3/2 of std 800 coin adding 0.00975. In the following situation with the Quad-Aces priced at $180, and the JP & Str-Fl as seen, the payout would be 0.9935. If I saw the JP at $1000 and Quad-Aces at $180, I'd play 0.9946.
Any Quad Aces at $240 is +EV, at $225 is 0.9955 payout, and $210 is 0.991 payout. These need a $600 Royal or better.
Gee Mickey, this shocks me....................................................
Quote: Buzzard" PS, Tring, if I remember correctly, by law there are no free drinks in Colorado. " Gee Mickey, this shocks me....
My memory is pretty fuzzy on the issue. I played a lot of stud hi-lo in Cripple Creek in the early nineties. Maybe it was just the houses I played in, Phoenix House, and Midnight Rose, that didn't offer free drinks. I know Colorado Gaming was very strict on the houses not allowing visibly intoxicated people on the premises.
Quote: fivespotI've never seen it at quarters, but I've seen it once at dollars, and once at $5. Where it's very common is $100 denomination; I think I've seen 3-coin $100 more often than I've seen 5-coin $100. It keeps three of a kind from being a W2G. That's on IGT Game Kings. On the old coin-droppers, anything goes. 8-coin, 4-coin, 1-coin, 7-coin...
I seen three-coin quarters in Cripple Creek, Colorado in the early nineties. I think it's a Colorado thing.
It was not hit by the OP.
OP has not hit anything large, recently. :-)
Quote: BuzzardHey Mickey, are any of the old gang here ???? ...... http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/cheatershalloffame.php
the layout of that page gives me seizures.
Quote: mickeycrimmMy memory is pretty fuzzy on the issue. I played a lot of stud hi-lo in Cripple Creek in the early nineties. Maybe it was just the houses I played in, Phoenix House, and Midnight Rose, that didn't offer free drinks. I know Colorado Gaming was very strict on the houses not allowing visibly intoxicated people on the premises.
Free drinks flow very freely in Colorado. I can't think of a single place that doesn't offer them. A couple places even offer cigarettes with your comp dollars (but the casino's are smoke-free).
Quote: BlackHawkDownI am not a smoker, nor am I condoning such behavior,
I like your attitude :)
Quote:but there is one place in Blackhawk, CO that allows smoking while gambling. They get away with it because they are listed not as a casino, but as a convenience store.
The Colorado Clean Air Act looks very restrictive, so I don't understand how they're getting away with it. I don't see an exemption for convenience stores.
Nevada generally allows smoking if customers under age 21 are prohibited, although it's hard to imagine an adult-only convenience store.
Quote: BlackHawkDownI am not a smoker, nor am I condoning such behavior, but there is one place in Blackhawk, CO that allows smoking while gambling. They get away with it because they are listed not as a casino, but as a convenience store. Plenty of penny slots, and smoky as all get out. I am not sure, however, whether they serve alcohol...I suspect not. It's called Wild Card as I remember.
Yes, it's Wild Card Saloon and they do serve alcohol. I've only been in once for about 10 minutes (won a $20 free play on the wheel outside) and that will be the last time. It's a depressing and stinky place (think El Cortez, maybe worse). Unplayable VP and many of the machines are still the old coin-drop variety.
Quote: scoobYes, it's Wild Card Saloon and they do serve alcohol.
I see an exemption for tobacco bars. Maybe that's the classification. Tobacco bars are required to earn 5% or $50,000 from sales of tobacco-related products.
Quote: gpac1377I see an exemption for tobacco bars. Maybe that's the classification. Tobacco bars are required to earn 5% or $50,000 from sales of tobacco-related products.
A lot of casinos tried that when the smoking ban went into effect, but they ultimately failed. My guess is everybody is happy to let the Wild Card play by their own rules if it keeps their clientele out of the rest of the casinos.
Quote: scoobMy guess is everybody is happy to let the Wild Card play by their own rules if it keeps their clientele out of the rest of the casinos.
Hahaha, awesome :)
So, in SF (and I'm sure elsewhere in CA as well) there are some "cigar bars" that are essentially co-ops -- everyone who works there owns some percentage of the bar (I think that there is some minimum percentage that they have to own). There is one not too far from me which I go to on a regular basis.
The funny thing is, the CA law about having to be a certain distance from buildings when smoking still applies. So you are allowed to smoke inside the door of the bar, with the door open, but if you step outside you have to be 15 feet away from the entrance.
