Vulturing 'Ultimate X'
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they dont have anything better than 8/5 JoB (97.3%) at low demoninations ($.50).
but I saw ultimate X.
so I assume vulturing ultimate X means sitting at every machine and going thru every game type for a 'next hand' multiplier?
or is it not worth it since I only get $30/week in freeplay?
ie: stick to $0.50 8/5 JoB?
Absolutely Pathetic. I'm holding my tongue out of respect for the forum.Quote: 21formeSpeaking of Ult X, recently I was showing an AP friend how to vulture the game. An old guy was at the next machine and didn't like our banter. He moved over a few seats leaving a 5-line quarter game with 12x multipliers on all 5 lines. Sooo, I moved over a seat quickly and put my ticket in. Drew trips and finished with 3 trips, 1 quad and a FH! I told my friend we need to hang around until he hits another good hand then scare him away again :-)
This is the kind of crap that gives AP's a bad, bad name and the casinos hate us. Running off legitimate customers is a big NO,NO and one of the casinos best arguments for not allowing AP.(PG is in heaven proof for himself AP's are scum) They already think this is the kind of BS we all do, now you are confirming it publicly. Why brag about it? Its not so smart to do, and its not smart to brag about.
This is also why game designers are making new slot bonus games AP proof. To bad, because there was descent, fun, safe money in those type of games, even the regular customer liked the games.
I admit I'm no angel, maybe I'm hypocrite on some things, so don't think I'm saying this from a, "I think I'm better then you stand point" I don't have that right. I'm don't even think anything bad about you personally. I was probably to harsh and I even apologize. I just hope people will see this and think about what they say and do might be hurting themselves and others.
Quote: AxelWolfAbsolutely Pathetic. I'm holding my tongue out of respect for the forum.
This is the kind of crap that gives AP's a bad, bad name and the casinos hate us. Running off legitimate customers is a big NO,NO and one of the casinos best arguments for not allowing AP.(PG is in heaven proof for himself AP's are scum) They already think this is the kind of BS we all do, now you are confirming it publicly. Why brag about it? Its not so smart to do, and its not smart to brag about.
Sorry, but I disagree. I didn't run anyone off. The guy wanted some space and decided to move where there were empty chairs on both sides of him.
I've seen some nasty ploys to get rid of players from key seats, etc., but this certainly wasn't one of them.
Quote: 21formeSorry, but I disagree. I didn't run anyone off. The guy wanted some space and decided to move where there were empty chairs on both sides of him.
I've seen some nasty ploys to get rid of players from key seats, etc., but this certainly wasn't one of them.
He may not have liked your banter but the respectful thing to do was ask him if he wanted to play them off.
Quote: 21formeI told my friend we need to hang around until he hits another good hand then scare him away again :-)
When you say this, even if jokingly, how do you think that comes across?
Quote: TranscendHe may not have liked your banter but the respectful thing to do was ask him if he wanted to play them off.
If he's dumb enough to walk away from a multiplier, that's his problem. As the old sayiung goes, if it wasn't for poor players in casinos financing our activities, there would be no advantage plays. Are you an AP? You don't sound like one.
Quote: Transcend
When you say this, even if jokingly, how do you think that comes across?
Yes, I did say it jokingly, but some people have no sense of humor.
Quote: 21formeIf he's dumb enough to walk away from a multiplier, that's his problem. As the old sayiung goes, if it wasn't for poor players in casinos financing our activities, there would be no advantage plays. Are you an AP? You don't sound like one.
Yes, I did say it jokingly, but some people have no sense of humor.
It is one thing if he just walked away, it is another thing if he left because of you...which you sound so happy about causing. And I get the joke, hence, the even if said jokingly, but you try to say there is much worse things to scare people off and that is what you weren't trying to do, but you say that...quite contradicting.
21forme "I told my friend we need to hang around until he hits another good hand then scare him away again :-)" I'm not sure how I could interpret this any other way, You knew he was annoyed with you and you wanted to hang around and SCARE him away when he got a 12x.Quote: 21formeSorry, but I disagree. I didn't run anyone off. The guy wanted some space and decided to move where there were empty chairs on both sides of him.
I've seen some nasty ploys to get rid of players from key seats, etc., but this certainly wasn't one of them.
Hanging around hoping he will leave is one thing. Annoying, bothering, upsetting people looks bad. Anyways I'm over it, I probably should have said nothing. Good Luck
This last one, I waited awhile because some other guy was on the machine who unfortunately looked like he wasn't all there. He wasn't generally playing max bet though. When he left I scoped out what was left, saw a 10-play quarter with 2X on line 8, and decided to pass for the moment since that's only a little above 100%. But also saw 2X on 5-play, and then decided to play it. Also forgot to put in my card. But I don't mind since these choices helped lead to this...
Once I hit this, I went back to the ten-play with the sole 2X I skipped and totally bricked it. Oh well.
I'm also surprised I hit Aces again since I hit 4 Aces on 1-play nickel bonus poker about 10 hands in tonight. I only had one other 4 of a kind on a non-deuces game all night (5's at nickel DDB).
Quote: 100xOddsso I started playing vp again because my local casino stopped allowing freeplay on their e-Craps machine.
(Great Happy New Year to your customers Maryland Live.)
they dont have anything better than 8/5 JoB (97.3%) at low demoninations ($.50).
but I saw ultimate X.
so I assume vulturing ultimate X means sitting at every machine and going thru every game type for a 'next hand' multiplier?
or is it not worth it since I only get $30/week in freeplay?
ie: stick to $0.50 8/5 JoB?
The ult x at Maryland live cannot be vultured. I tried it a couple months ago. When there is not enough credits in the machine to play at least one hand at full coin in I was losing all multipliers I had on the machine. I discovered I needed to keep at least enough credits in the machine so I wouldn't lose the multipliers. I think it has to do with the kind of machine it is. When choosing a game the screen says "loading". These machines are the newer looking ones.
However, I think the ones they have at the bar tops might be like the more traditional ult x machines which can be vultured.
I can't confirm this about the bartops but I know for a fact the newer free standing ones cannot be vultured.
Can anyone substantiate that rumor?
Quote: 21formeWas back in Casinoland today and saw the same guy at Ult X. I sat down at the machine next to him, ran through the games and played a few rounds. Guess what? He got up and moved to another machine, leaving a few lines with 2x - 4x mults on it. I guess he just doesn't like having someone at the adjacent machine, or maybe it's me. I did take a shower just a few hours earlier...
I would be careful about following this guy around. If he complains, it will take them about 10 seconds to realize which one of you is the sucker, and the casinos love suckers, so you know whose side they will take.
Do you really want to get banned over this? It's not like you've found some play worth several thousand dollars and it's worthwhile to risk exposure in order to get your bets in. Pick your battles...
Quote: TranscendFound a 2x multiplier left on a machine, played it out and it turned in to a dealt straight which was then followed by these, which turned in to a tidy $150 profit
It's kind if pointless if you are playing max on the spin that you vulture
Quote: strictlyAP
It's kind if pointless if you are playing max on the spin that you vulture
I was under the impression you had to bet 10 to use the multiplier, but after looking at tringlomanes picture I see that is not the case.
As of right now I am 6/8 on making a profit betting it this way(probably just dumb luck) but I am ahead about $300 doing it this way.
Quote: TranscendHow else would you go about it? I was under the impression you had to bet 10 to use the multiplier...and if there is a multiplier left on the top hand how would you a select less hands on it?
As of right now I am 6/8 on making a profit betting it this way(probably just dumb luck) but I am ahead about $300
You can bet 5 per hand and still get the multiplier for the current hand. Just no multipliers on the next hand.
Quote: DRichYou can bet 5 per hand and still get the multiplier for the current hand. Just no multipliers on the next hand.
Man you are quick, a guy can't even edit his post without someone quoting it. Thanks for the info drich, I noticed that after looking at tringlomanes picture. Thanks for pointing it out as well strictlyAP.
Quote: djatcBut if you know you are going to be dealt a winner it might make sense to play 10 credit.
True, if only we knew we were going to be dealt a winner.
Ultimate X at Horseshoe Cleveland kicked my tail for the sixteen hour period I was there and four separate occasions when I went to check them for vulturing purposes. Even with a huge advantage, overall, I still couldn't get the best of them.
Quote: IbeatyouracesSame here. A good majority of quarter and higher players know the whole point to playing the game is the multipliers. I've had some decent nickel wins though. It's where I got the AWAK on TDB for $200.00 then the same hand on DDB for $100 the next day.
That is pretty nice. The problem is that checking for them usually involves cycling through 5-10 games at 3-4 denominations. I think it looks kind of strange to sit down at a VP machine for long enough to do all that and then not play anything.
Is that what you do?
Just curious. I have never played video poker in my life. Or is the advantage provided by leftover multipliers high enough that it's still +EV even if you don't know the first thing about VP strategy?
Quote: AcesAndEights'Ultimate X' is a feature that is applied to various base VP games, like DDB, TDB, correct? So if I wanted to go hunting for vulture opportunities, it would be important to know the strategy for the base game first, correct?
Just curious. I have never played video poker in my life. Or is the advantage provided by leftover multipliers high enough that it's still +EV even if you don't know the first thing about VP strategy?
This is true, but it would be worthwhile to know SOMETHING about VP. If you give it a bit of thought, the mistakes that you do make are likely to be in the 1% EV range. That is nothing compared to doubling (or more) all your wins.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThis is what you do. First see if there are multipliers. If not and before checking the next game, look to see if they played 10 credits AND there is a winning hand anywhere. If there isn't, you don't need to check that game on a different denomination. If you see that ten credits was played and you do find a winning hand but no "next hand x", now check other denominations. Saves a lot of time.
This is usually the case, but not always.
Say you're looking at a 5, 10, 25 cent machine, and there are some mults at the 5 cent game. Suppose someone comes along and plays the 25 cent game at 3 coins in, then leaves and you come along. You'll miss the 5 cent mults, seeing only 3 coins in, unless you're checking at the 5 cent level.
Personally, I cycle through at the highest denomination on the machine, as you described, so I don't miss any mults at that level if the above happens. If I miss an occasional mult at a lower denomination, so be it, as it takes time away from the +EV table games.
Also, one casino I frequent has a new bank of All Star Poker II machines with Ult X. Each denomination seems to be an independent game with 10 coins in with a winning hand not necessarily showing a next-hand multiplier (and each denomination showing a different set of cards).
BTW, was recently in Vegas and hit some nice mults on $5 and $10 machines in some of the HL slot rooms!
Probably because they don't like the ANYONE winning and taking away ploppies money. They would rather a sucker find the multipliers and give it back. Since people spell out exactly where, what, and how they are doing it. Casinos take notice(they read the form) THEY DON'T LIKE IT PERIOD. I have seen casinos take out popular machines in spite of them being very lucrative for the casino, just to get ride of guys who do this. People throw it in the casinos face.Quote: BTLWIThey took those machines out probably a year ago due to lack of play.
I think Drich said they are purposely designing games that don't accumulate or save bonuses. Soon there will be nothing to talk about.
I noticed the other day someone had played 2-3 lines on every game and denom at a 7 coin bet on the only 2 machines I could check. Why, I don't know. The other 3 people weren't playing this way when I looked, strange.
The writing was on the wall 5 years ago at least. Agreed about zero tolerance for any good machines. They have no way to see the damage they do hurts the casino, so they do it and others apparently gain personally pushing the casino to act, so they do it.Quote: AxelWolfProbably because they don't like the ANYONE winning and taking away ploppies money. They would rather a sucker find the multipliers and give it back. Since people spell out exactly where, what, and how they are doing it. Casinos take notice(they read the form) THEY DON'T LIKE IT PERIOD. I have seen casinos take out popular machines in spite of them being very lucrative for the casino, just to get ride of guys who do this. People throw it in the casinos face.
I think Drich said they are purposely designing games that don't accumulate or save bonuses. Soon there will be nothing to talk about.
I was looking at Super Times Pay- that explains it. doh.Quote: onenickelmiracleI made a few rookie mistakes checking these the last few times. The first mistake only checking once and not going back. Accidentally played max coins on 85DDB, wound up with 4 to a flush and 3 to royal AKJ and held the royal which I later thought was a mistake.
I noticed the other day someone had played 2-3 lines on every game and denom at a 7 coin bet on the only 2 machines I could check. Why, I don't know. The other 3 people weren't playing this way when I looked, strange.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI was looking at Super Times Pay- that explains it. doh.
It was probably Double Super Times if the bet was 7.
