POLL: Vote for what you consider "Full Pay Video Poker"

Please vote: What do you consider to be "full pay video poker" ?? And if you don't like the above 5 options, give us another.

I would have voted for, "Must return 100%, or more, or if returning LESS than 100%, but widely regarded as the best paytable available while still paying at least 99.5%."

That might be a little verbose for a poll option, though.

I screwed up; 100% or more [i clicked on 100%]

I'm not sure you ever see 100% exactly

other: It can't and should not be defined.

They are coming out with all kinds of crazy games.


Alan
Let's they they come out with a VP game that the highest return they offer is 97.1% Do you really think you would feel comfortable with calling that a full pay machine. Or having someone that only plays that machine, tell you they always play full pay machines?

Quote: AxelWolf

Alan
Let's they they come out with a VP game that the highest return they offer is 97.1% Do you really think you would feel comfortable with calling that a full pay machine. Or having someone that only plays that machine, tell you they always play full pay machines?

That game at 97.1% would be "full pay Mama Louise video poker," if in fact that was the highest paying version.

I've always thought of full pay Jacks or Better as being 9/6 even though the Stratosphere had a higher paying game.

Is that hard to understand?

Quote: Mission146

I would have voted for, "Must return 100%, or more, or if returning LESS than 100%, but widely regarded as the best paytable available while still paying at least 99.5%."

That might be a little verbose for a poll option, though.

Poor 8/5 Bonus...

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Quote: AlanMendelson

That game at 97.1% would be "full pay Mama Louise video poker," if in fact that was the highest paying version.

I've always thought of full pay Jacks or Better as being 9/6 even though the Stratosphere had a higher paying game.

Is that hard to understand?

Why are you arguing with me about that? I always thought of 9/6 as being referred to as FP as well.
But not 8/5 bonus, not because there are better games then 8/5 bonus in that category. its because its to big of a HA. It would be like saying a Mazda Miata is a real sports car.


read what Mickey said how is that hard to understand?

Quote: tringlomane

Poor 8/5 Bonus...

LOL...... Put some serious coin in on that game like a few hundred thousand then see how you feel about 8/5 bogus poker

Overnight tonight I was at the Riverside in Laughlin practicing my newly found video poker skills for 3 hours on a 5c single line machine. Halfway through my machine locked up for no apparent reason. The floor tech came over and opened it up to do some checking. We talked for almost ten minutes. He showed me how these machines keep track of coin in and coin out (this one was like 1.5million in and 1.3 million out. There was a volume control, background color control, something called Double Down on/off option, and a large variety of games and payout tables to choose from (quite a few more than video poker too). I was playing what axel calls bogus poker, the 6/5 version but don't get excited because I was just practicing, but he showed me the payout table options available for that game. One of them was 8/6 bonus poker, but he said that's rarely if ever used, and the rest of the payout was the same as the 6/5 version I was playing (2 to 1 for two pair, etc.)

That game isn't what people are calling widely available according to this technician, but why wouldn't that be called a "full pay" game?

Quote: AxelWolf

LOL...... Put some serious coin in on that game like a few hundred thousand then see how you feel about 8/5 bogus poker

that's funny... but I have a profit playing 8/5 Bonus and its sister game 8/5 Aces and Faces (which has a slightly better return). It's 9/6 DDB that killed me.

Let me summarize the situation:

It appears that we have no clear agreement on what "full pay video poker" means.

We have several different interpretations.

The Wizard has offered:

Quote: Wizard

it is the most liberal pay table for a given game that is widely available. Where this is going to be subject to debate is what counts as "widely available." One might say that 100.76% deuces shouldn't count as full pay any longer because it is so hard to find any longer.

Axel has said:

Quote: AxelWolf

it refers to the the standard highest version of a particular game.

I said:

Quote: AlanMendelson

"Full pay" does not mean 100%+ or 100% payback and never has. "Full pay" is commonly used to refer to the best of the regular paytables for various games.

JB offered:

Quote: JB

From the original vpFREE FAQ:

5. What is a full-pay VP machine? - A machine that has the best pay schedule for a particular VP Game, that can be found in any quantity in casinos. Often it is a judgmental decision as to which pay schedule should get the full-pay designation.

And then there is all the discussion about some casinos that have variants of pay tables that make one casino offer a better paying version of the same game than another.

Oh Monty, Monty, Monty... should the designation "full pay" be outlawed for lack of a proper definition?

99.95% or more. I don't think the newer versions and gimmicks remotely qualify even when considered best availible. There's no way I'll believe that 98.xx% is best availible. I simply won't play. And of course all bets are off Class II and/or Soverign Nations. One can easily say that I'm becomming a VP biggot.

Now what is "good VP" in my book is 98.9% or better. But then, my nearest Casinos are Soverign Nation. Caveat emptor.

I disagree with the arguement that 100%+ was ever NOT considered "full pay". It certainly was, and described as being a way to raise the 4-coin or less wagers to a certain level of return. One should consider the return of playing 1-coin ( side: does anyone remember certain RSF's paying 300, or 400, or 500 coins per coin-in?). I admit this is OLD and there are probably people here that weren't around in the early 90's when this was "in fashion".

***edit*** One other thing I find rather insidious is the 2-Pair Pushie. Just what is the fraction of wins that pay 1 for 1? What you won't see in the near future... 1/2/2/... Here's a fictional JoB 1/2/2/6/8/10/25/80/500 with 5-coin as 5/10/10/30/40/50/125/400/4000***

Quote: tournamentking

Overnight tonight I was at the Riverside in Laughlin practicing my newly found video poker skills for 3 hours on a 5c single line machine. Halfway through my machine locked up for no apparent reason. The floor tech came over and opened it up to do some checking. We talked for almost ten minutes. He showed me how these machines keep track of coin in and coin out (this one was like 1.5million in and 1.3 million out. There was a volume control, background color control, something called Double Down on/off option, and a large variety of games and payout tables to choose from (quite a few more than video poker too). I was playing what axel calls bogus poker, the 6/5 version but don't get excited because I was just practicing, but he showed me the payout table options available for that game. One of them was 8/6 bonus poker, but he said that's rarely if ever used, and the rest of the payout was the same as the 6/5 version I was playing (2 to 1 for two pair, etc.)

That game isn't what people are calling widely available according to this technician, but why wouldn't that be called a "full pay" game?

What kind of machine was it? Laughlin has a ton of older machines where the 8/6 would have been more common, BUT RARE. Since your machine randomly locked up and that's a very rare occurrence, I will assume it was an older machine. Most machines don't have 8/6 available in the settings.


Remember because you are playing nickels, It is very common and almost the rule that the nickel machines are set low.

I would suggest that you almost never listen to what any floor person says about machines, no matter how smart they seem. (It will only mess with your head) After, you yourself have a better understanding of how they work, then you can get information from them and decide if it's true. In this case the guy sounded like he might have understood a bit more then the average person. And its great that he keyed the machine for you, but there are no big secrets to be had in the settings for the most part. You can go buy a cheap VP machine, key it and test it all you want.

Good luck with video poker, since you are well funded, I would practice on .25 machines with better paybacks especially if your playing for hr's.

Quote: AxelWolf

LOL...... Put some serious coin in on that game like a few hundred thousand then see how you feel about 8/5 bogus poker

Never claimed that all "full pay" machines were worth playing hardcore. I'd rather stick to my 35/8/5 Bonus in St. Louis for now, which is higher payback than "full pay" bonus poker. :P

Quote: 98Clubs

What you won't see in the near future... 1/2/2/... Here's a fictional JoB 1/2/2/6/8/10/25/80/500 with 5-coin as 5/10/10/30/40/50/125/400/4000***

Go to a CET bartop in Vegas and click on ACE$ Bonus Poker and see what you find. :P Hopefully the new bartops they are putting in are getting rid of that game though...

Quote: AxelWolf

What kind of machine was it? Laughlin has a ton of older machines where the 8/6 would have been more common, BUT RARE. Since your machine randomly locked up and that's a very rare occurrence, I will assume it was an older machine. Most machines don't have 8/6 available in the settings.


Remember because you are playing nickels, It is very common and almost the rule that the nickel machines are set low.

I would suggest that you almost never listen to what any floor person says about machines, no matter how smart they seem. (It will only mess with your head) After, you yourself have a better understanding of how they work, then you can get information from them and decide if it's true. In this case the guy sounded like he might have understood a bit more then the average person. And its great that he keyed the machine for you, but there are no big secrets to be had in the settings for the most part. You can go buy a cheap VP machine, key it and test it all you want.

Good luck with video poker, since you are well funded, I would practice on .25 machines with better paybacks especially if your playing for hr's.

I did play quarters all day, lol. So glad you didn't suggest I play $5!

You're right, this was an old machine. As a novice, I found the keying as informative and interesting. Would the 8/6 version of bonuspoker no longer be available on the menus of the newer machines?

Quote: tournamentking

I did play quarters all day, lol. So glad you didn't suggest I play $5!

You're right, this was an old machine. As a novice, I found the keying as informative and interesting. Would the 8/6 version of bonuspoker no longer be available on the menus of the newer machines?

I would think so. The newest releases from IGT at least don't even offer 8/5 Bonus according to their media sheets.