8/5 JoB vs 9/5 DDB
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It seems like the majority of people I see at the casino are playing Double Double Bonus Poker. Best pay table available for that one is 9/5.
Based on the Wizard's calculator, 9/5 DDB Poker pays out 97.8%. 8/5 JoB pays out 97.2%. Based on this alone, DDB appears to be the better game.
What other factors are there that would make one option better than the other? Would it be worth my time to learn the optimal strategy for Double Double Bonus for the extra 0.6% payout?
The strategy is a little bit harder, but not a lot. You tend to hold more gutshots because 2 pair no longer pays 2 for 1. But be warned, once you start playing DDB and hit something big it's tough to go back. I hit AAAA3 while playing Deuces yesterday w/a 3X STP multiplier; I was not happy.
You don't happen to have 7/5 Bonus for the stakes you want, do you?
Quote: tringlomaneYeah, variance is rougher for sure. If you are well bankrolled though, I would probably play 9/5 DDB because 0.57% a decent bump.
The strategy is a little bit harder, but not a lot. You tend to hold more gutshots because 2 pair no longer pays 2 for 1. But be warned, once you start playing DDB and hit something big it's tough to go back. I hit AAAA3 while playing Deuces yesterday w/a 3X STP multiplier; I was not happy.
You don't happen to have 7/5 Bonus for the stakes you want, do you?
I still haven't played it at a real casino yet (I still don't have the optimal strategy 100% down pat but I'm getting there).
However I've messed around with it on The Wizard's site and you are right, Variance is a killer for sure. I used the 'Autoplay' feature to eliminate any of my own errors, and I went through 1000 credits (playing 5 at a time) without hitting a single 4 of a kind. Not getting 2:1 on the 2 pair hurts. Over the course of 1000 credits, the payout was roughly 74% according to the stats screen.
How many hands would you estimate it takes before the real advantage of that 0.57% bump is realized?
And to answer the question, I don't know yet if there are any 7/5 bonus machines. Knowing Caesars Windsor, if it's a good/fair pay table, they probably don't have it but I'll look for it just the same next time I go.
Quote: etr102I still haven't played it at a real casino yet (I still don't have the optimal strategy 100% down pat but I'm getting there).
However I've messed around with it on The Wizard's site and you are right, Variance is a killer for sure. I used the 'Autoplay' feature to eliminate any of my own errors, and I went through 1000 credits (playing 5 at a time) without hitting a single 4 of a kind. Not getting 2:1 on the 2 pair hurts. Over the course of 1000 credits, the payout was roughly 74% according to the stats screen.
How many hands would you estimate it takes before the real advantage of that 0.57% bump is realized?
And to answer the question, I don't know yet if there are any 7/5 bonus machines. Knowing Caesars Windsor, if it's a good/fair pay table, they probably don't have it but I'll look for it just the same next time I go.
The dollar progressive VP machines are rotten to be polite to them. I believe I saw 6/5 on the one game. Will take some pics there tonight ..but people playing that bank all the time
Quote: coilmanThe dollar progressive VP machines are rotten to be polite to them. I believe I saw 6/5 on the one game. Will take some pics there tonight ..but people playing that bank all the time
Stopped there tonight and checked out the dollar progressive bank of machines
JOB-----7/5....yes folks 7 and 5
dtb-500str flush/ 1200 4aces/600 2-4 4oaks/ 250 other 4oaks/ 6/5fullhouse flush
Quote: coilmanStopped there tonight and checked out the dollar progressive bank of machines
JOB-----7/5....yes folks 7 and 5
dtb-500str flush/ 1200 4aces/600 2-4 4oaks/ 250 other 4oaks/ 6/5fullhouse flush
I think you mean Triple Bonus Plus for the other (and better) game?
I wonder how juicy of Royals it gets...probably not enough to make it worthwhile...but they could make it real high and still rake in the dough. Lots of idiot gamblers love progressives.
the 100% machines last night had a big group of BLACKJACK players on them ...yep playing $1 hands of BJ
Quote: coilmanLast night the progressive was $4200+( under $4300) earlier in the week it was just under $4700 ... dont ever remember seeing it above $5000
the 100% machines last night had a big group of BLACKJACK players on them ...yep playing $1 hands of BJ
Wait, there are 100% machines at Caesars Windsor? Where are they located? I've haven't seen any. I typically stick to the machines that have 8/6 JoB and 9/5 DDB as the thread title indicates. Even the $5 VP machines in the high limit area are set to that. I have seen the 7/5 machines too that you refer to.
Never seen a 100% machine anywhere at CW though.
Quote: Ibeatyouraces99.95% Pick 'Em. The ones labeled $80 = 1 tier credit.
I found them! They were along that wall by where the old Canadian Club Slots room used to be.
I'll take your word for it that the Pick 'Em on those machines are 99.95% since I don't know enough about the pay tables to say otherwise, but amazingly, if you chose the exact same machine but play Jacks Or Better, the pay table is only 7/5. I always thought the vig on the different games on a single machine were roughly similar, but that's clearly not the case. Why would anybody opt for the 7/5 JoB when they can play 99.95% Pick Em on the exact same machine?
I'll have to learn how to play Pick Em properly. Is it a good game? Tough to learn the optimal strategy?
Quote: Ibeatyouraceshttps://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/pick-em-poker/
One more dumb question. Is there any good free places to practice? Unfortunately, WizardOfOdds.com doesn't seem to have Pick Em available in it's VP game (unless I'm blind).
Quote: etr102One more dumb question. Is there any good free places to practice? Unfortunately, WizardOfOdds.com doesn't seem to have Pick Em available in it's VP game (unless I'm blind).
It doesn't. It would need new programming.
Quote: etr102...I'll take your word for it that the Pick 'Em on those machines are 99.95% since I don't know enough about the pay tables to say otherwise...
Sorry to join in the "off" topic, but in a way it may not be. If full pay Pick 'Em is available in lieu of 8/5 JOB or 9/5 DDB, then have at it!
The rule of thumb that I use for Pick 'Em pay tables is to avoid the ones with 20 for the 3OAK and/or 50 for the Straight. Any pay table that I have seen with 25 and 55 turns out to be full pay when I review the remainder of the 5-coin column. Other payouts will be adjusted, but I have found that remembering those two if sufficient. Also, playing for less than 5 coins will "always" result in an inferior pay table. I am sure someone will speak up if they have found otherwise.
Quote: etr102...I'll have to learn how to play Pick Em properly. Is it a good game? Tough to learn the optimal strategy?
Not at all! It is comparable to learning Basic Strategy for the simpler 5-card draw games, and there aren't any exceptions, as you are basically choosing the better of two 3-card hands. You may even find that you don't need to train, as quite often the correct choice is either intuitive or irrelevant! Be sure to note where high pairs and low pairs fall in the list. And although SF's typically beat Flushes, which typically beat Straights, which typically beat non-S/F's, there are exceptions due to the number of high cards and how good or bad the straight hold is. For example 9TJo and TJQo beats a Flush hold with 2 high cards.
The game moves pretty fast, so using a strategy card that is concise, but legible and easy to understand shouldn't hold up your game too much. That is unless the casino will sweat you for using it...!
Quote: camapl
The game moves pretty fast, so using a strategy card that is concise, but legible and easy to understand shouldn't hold up your game too much. That is unless the casino will sweat you for using it...!
NOT ALLOWED in Ontario at least....maybe all of Canada. Seems the casino's dont want you playing if you know what you are doing or can quickly reference what you should be doing
Bovada has pick'em poker, they have a free play mode (fun money).. see bottom of page the page for a link not sure what the pay table is on BV.Quote: etr102One more dumb question. Is there any good free places to practice? Unfortunately, WizardOfOdds.com doesn't seem to have Pick Em available in it's VP game (unless I'm blind).
Quote: coilmanNOT ALLOWED in Ontario at least....maybe all of Canada. Seems the casino's dont want you playing if you know what you are doing or can quickly reference what you should be doing
On that topic, I got warned by a Slot Supervisor for taking pictures of the pay tables of VP machines for different games. My obvious intention was to plug all the numbers into the Wizards calculator when I got home to determine the best game to play.
I just got a stern warning "Would you mind not taking pictures of the machines???"
In reality, as a former Windsor Casino Ltd employee, I knew about the no pictures on the gaming floor policy. I just figured that since CW was hurting for patrons that they would turn a blind eye, but obviously that's not the case.
