All American Poker

So I was playing All American Poker on Bovada and using the Wizard's strategy calculator of course. One thing that I noticed is that the strategy calculator has me drawing to more inside straights than I would have anticipated. Does this seem accurate or typical for this game?

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So I was playing All American Poker on Bovada and using the Wizard's strategy calculator of course. One thing that I noticed is that the strategy calculator has me drawing to more inside straights than I would have anticipated. Does this seem accurate or typical for this game?

It wouldn't surprise me if it was typical. All American strategy is counter intuitive to a Jack's or Better strategy, which if you did that on All American, as I remember comes out to an EV of 95% or something close to that. Part of it is from the fact that FH, flushes and straights all pay the same, so strategy adjustments must be factored into that. I used to play All American years ago when it was more prevalent in brick and mortar places and before the short-pay versions replaced the full-pay 4000,1000,200,40,40,40, 15,5,5 version that was out there for so many years.

It is definitely correct, for example, 2-3-4-6 is better than holding a J, Q, or K. (With an Ace you would hold A-2-3-4.) Other strange plays are things like holding 4 to a flush or 4 to an open-ended straight instead of a paying pair of Jacks or Better; holding a 3-card straight like 6-7-8; holding 3 to a flush; holding 2 to a straight flush such as suited 89 or even 57 and 34; holding AKQ/AKJ or KQT/KJT or 9JQ; holding suited Ace-Ten; holding 3 to a straight flush instead of a low pair (depending on the 3 to a straight flush), and other things. I think it's a good strategy to have in one's arsenal.

Remember that straights pay a whopping 8 for 1 on this game and so do flushes. So you should be drawing to many more straights than most other VP games. Also you'll be drawing to many more flushes too.

I remember playing "full-pay" All-American (100.72% - 40 for 1 quads) for quarters while still in college in the hick town of Boonville, MO. In the end, I lost my ass of course. RIP full-pay AA. :( Really tough strategy though.

Now the best game I am aware of pays 35 for 1 for quads (99.6%). Harrah's Tunica has it for 50c+; I had to add it to VPFree2 because no one but me realized it was 99%+...haha

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It wouldn't surprise me if it was typical. All American strategy is counter intuitive to a Jack's or Better strategy, which if you did that on All American, as I remember comes out to an EV of 95% or something close to that. Part of it is from the fact that FH, flushes and straights all pay the same, so strategy adjustments must be factored into that. I used to play All American years ago when it was more prevalent in brick and mortar places and before the short-pay versions replaced the full-pay 4000,1000,200,40,40,40, 15,5,5 version that was out there for so many years.

Actually that version was not the real full pay they had a different version that payed 250 on quads with max bet that was 103 % yes THREE PERCENT ADVANTAGE they even had them in a $5 dollar denomination. KC had many of them for years in the Quarter denomination with constant promotions and cash back worth over $25 an hr in the 90's until a AP employee of a team started posting about it on Skip's Page they all were gone within a few months of his fist post about them. This started a debate and thread about killing the golden goose. A few guys in Casino management were known to spy on the site.

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Actually that version was not the real full pay they had a different version that payed 250 on quads with max bet that was 103 % yes THREE PERCENT ADVANTAGE they even had them in a $5 dollar denomination. KC had many of them for years in the Quarter denomination with constant promotions and cash back worth over $25 an hr in the 90's until a AP employee of a team started posting about it on Skip's Page they all were gone within a few months of his fist post about them. This started a debate and thread about killing the golden goose. A few guys in Casino management were known to spy on the site.

Rumor has it a version of this game is worth $25-30 an hour at a location in Iowa, anyone have insight into this?

We played the All American at Isle of Capri in KC for several years. It is one of my favorite games. I thought the strategy was relatively straightforward, and the variance was pretty low.

I was sorry to see it go, along with all of the quarter full pay Pick'Em

Kansas City was an advantage players dream in the late 90's

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Rumor has it a version of this game is worth $25-30 an hour at a location in Iowa, anyone have insight into this?

If they do, either it's great mailers at a ~high denomination, or totally unexpected if it's > 100% return.

VPFree2 says 99.6% AA exists in the Quad Cities on the Illinois side. No idea on mailers but if it's only for quarters like VPFree says, I doubt it's worth that much per hour.

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If they do, either it's great mailers at a ~high denomination, or totally unexpected if it's > 100% return.

VPFree2 says 99.6% AA exists in the Quad Cities on the Illinois side. No idea on mailers but if it's only for quarters like VPFree says, I doubt it's worth that much per hour.

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What do I win? Is that the machine you heard of? If it's a game king/game maker with a bunch of crap games with it, it could give some huge bounceback for quarters maybe. Just seems unlikely. I also found 99.6% AA at Harrah's Tunica last month too for 50c+. But since it's a CET property, I wouldn't expect mailers to push much above 100% necessarily. The game was also grouped with other high-paying games at the 50c+ level, including full-pay WHA, JoB, and another blast from the past, Shockwave!