For example, if you hold 3c, 5c, 6c, you're three to a Straight Flush.
Four to an outside straight just means that you have a straight draw that is not a gutshot, not a Five needed for a wheel straight, and not an AHigh straight. For example:
2-3-4-5 is an open-ended straight draw, an Ace or six will do it.
2-3-5-6- is a gutshot, only a four makes the straight.
A-2-3-4 is where you need a five for the wheel straight.
10-J-Q-K is an Ace-High Straight, so that's not open-ended.
Quote: Mission146
10-J-Q-K is an Ace-High Straight, so that's not open-ended.
All this time I thought the above example was an open-ended straight draw because a 9 or A makes the straight. Did you mean J-Q-K-A?
Quote: Mission146
2-3-5-6- is a gutshot, only a four makes the straight.
This is often called in video poker terms as an "inside" straight, but I call them gutshots as well.
Quote: Mission146Three to a Straight Flush just means that you are holding three cards of the same suit in which you would need two cards to make a straight, flush, or straight flush.
For example, if you hold 3c, 5c, 6c, you're three to a Straight Flush.
Four to an outside straight just means that you have a straight draw that is not a gutshot, not a Five needed for a wheel straight, and not an AHigh straight. For example:
2-3-4-5 is an open-ended straight draw, an Ace or six will do it.
2-3-5-6- is a gutshot, only a four makes the straight.
A-2-3-4 is where you need a five for the wheel straight.
10-J-Q-K is an Ace-High Straight, so that's not open-ended.
Very informative! This is an incredible forum. Glad I found it!
Quote: JimRockfordIf OP is studying strategy, someone should define a penalty card. I am not that someone.
I am. Be a sport lol
Quote: JimRockfordIf OP is studying strategy, someone should define a penalty card. I am not that someone.
Well I'll just quote our Wizard, but I will not take follow up questions.
"Penalty card: Sometimes one must discard a potentially useful card. In rare situations cards you would never keep can still tip the scales in favor of one play over another. For example, take the situation in footnote F. The player has a king of clubs, 10 of clubs, 9 of spades, 6 of clubs, and a 3 of diamonds. The best options are to either keep the suited 10 and king or the king only. The suited 10 and king is usually the better option. However in this scenario two potentially useful cards would be discarded, the 9 (lowering the odds of forming a straight), and the 6 of clubs (lowering the odds of forming a flush). These two penalty cards degrade the value of the suited 10 and king to below that of keeping the king only".
Quote: JimRockfordIf OP is studying strategy, someone should define a penalty card. I am not that someone.
Penalty cards are situations where your discards will negatively affect the expected return of the hold. For example, in 9/6 Jacks or better (JoB), typically you hold 3 to a Royal flush over 4 to a flush. But if you have 3 to a Royal with the Ace and Ten and you have something like Ac Qc Tc Kd 7c, here you would hold 4 to a flush because the King hurts your chances of making a straight if you went for 3 to a Royal, making it a "straight penalty card". This particular rule in JoB only applies to the 9/6 version (9 for 1 on the full house and 6 for 1 on the flush), which is usually the best available version of the game (99.54% optimal return). Versions of game where the flush only pays 5 for 1, you would always hold 3 to a Royal over 4 to a flush.
Personally, I feel penalty cards are very overrated unless you play video poker very seriously like Bob Dancer and the Wizard. It's much more important to have basic strategy accurately memorized than knowing penalty exceptions to basic strategy.
It shouldn't stop you from playing real money, and over time you can figure out penalty card situations while you learn.
Also keep in mind in deuces wild the deuce fills a requirement: 3 to a SF no gaps means the deuce can be played anywhere in or out of the 2 suited cards. This confused me in the beginning.
Over time you'll figure out strategy just by looking at paytables to determine the best draw. NSUD requires a 2 pair hold while regular deuces doesn't, as well as other changes because straight flushes and full houses pay more.
Quote: RogerKintAll this time I thought the above example was an open-ended straight draw because a 9 or A makes the straight. Did you mean J-Q-K-A?
Yes, I did...lol
Quote: tringlomaneThis is often called in video poker terms as an "inside" straight, but I call them gutshots as well.
Too much THE, in my case, I don't really actually play VP in the casino. I don't care for it, I'm afraid, sometimes I do the videopoker.com thing, but usually, I'll do it a few days in a row and then forget about it for a couple months.
Quote: Mission146Too much THE, in my case, I don't really actually play VP in the casino. I don't care for it, I'm afraid, sometimes I do the videopoker.com thing, but usually, I'll do it a few days in a row and then forget about it for a couple months.
Chasing gutshots = bad pot odds pretty much all the time in poker
Chasing gutshots = valid play outside of JoB in VP
I still hate playing gutshots in VP. 4 outters have never been good to me.
RF - Royal Flush
WRF - Wild Royal Flush
SF - Straight Flush
OESD - open ended straight draw
GS - Gutshot
Quads - Four of a Kind
Boat - Full House (i guess FH would be better)
Trips - Three of a Kind
and to write something like straight flush with 1gap id put SF (1) or SF(1-2) if its 1 to 2 gaps.