Wizard
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March 12th, 2013 at 7:48:56 AM permalink
I have the strategy here. I haven't announced it to the public yet, pending JB giving me the return of the strategy.
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tringlomane
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March 12th, 2013 at 10:12:28 AM permalink
Quote: djkrick

I'm not sure what the return on the game was. I will check when I'm out there in 2 weeks. I'll probably play it even if it is 9/5 though. It's a fun game! :)
According to videopoker.com these casinos have the game in Laughlin but I have no idea what the returns are.



Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think 9/6 DDB exists outside of Vegas for Ultimate X. Hopefully I'm wrong. Aquarius is probably your best hope.

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I have the strategy here. I haven't announced it to the public yet, pending JB giving me the return of the strategy.



Awesome! I am a little disappointed that 5s thru 10s is better than an OESD with no high cards in 9/6 DDB because my computer-free bastardization of the other strategies wasn't that bad except for that close call.

Looking at some things real quick on the page, you left in 9-6-5 on the first line. I wish 9/6/5 DDB existed!! :) Also, holding Aces up vs. Aces, and Aces full vs. AAA? In the 9/6/5 DB games, these exceptions are listed based on multiplier. Did they become less important in 9/6 DDB? I would think they are MORE important in DDB.
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March 27th, 2013 at 12:36:15 PM permalink
I have found this 9/6/4 Double Double Bonus in the single line form on IGT All-Star Poker. On the WizardofOdds site the return is shown for the 10-5-3 play versions. As the amount of lines reduces the return does anyone know the return for single line Ultimate X 9/6/4 Double Double bonus. Based on extrapolating the information. The sharp drop from 5 play to 3 play returns of 0.997928 to
0.997261 is significant enough to me that the return on single line could reduce it to as much 0.9962 or even worse. If JB or anyone else has the exact return I would appreciate it. With the huge variance in the game anything less would 0.9962 would lean me toward 9/6 JOB.
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March 27th, 2013 at 1:18:35 PM permalink
Quote: JackStraw8004

I have found this 9/6/4 Double Double Bonus in the single line form on IGT All-Star Poker. On the WizardofOdds site the return is shown for the 10-5-3 play versions. As the amount of lines reduces the return does anyone know the return for single line Ultimate X 9/6/4 Double Double bonus. Based on extrapolating the information. The sharp drop from 5 play to 3 play returns of 0.997928 to
0.997261 is significant enough to me that the return on single line could reduce it to as much 0.9962 or even worse. If JB or anyone else has the exact return I would appreciate it. With the huge variance in the game anything less would 0.9962 would lean me toward 9/6 JOB.



It really depends on the multipliers it gives for that game. On videopoker.com, the multipliers for the single hand DDB game are similar to the 10-play multipliers, but the 4 5s-Ks multiplier is 4X vs 3X and the straight multiplier is 7X vs. 8X. The drop in the straight multiplier is a BIG Deal. According to the Wiz's video poker calculator, this would drop the return of the 9/6 DDB Ult X game to 99.19%, so 9/6 JoB in that case would be way better. The actual values of the multipliers are very, very important in determining the return. So make sure you find out all the multiplier values of that 9/6 DDB Ult X game in the help/rules/payouts screen.
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March 28th, 2013 at 3:43:41 PM permalink
From the Royal Flush down to the to 4 5s-Ks is 2X, FH is 12X, Fl is 10X and as you suspected STR is 7X. I have played this game several times over the last few months mostly for play throughs where earning x number of RC's would get you extra cash. The game was set at a high theoretical at one point and the cashback was very good, almost 1/2%. My friend had made a mistake as he thought the straight multiplier was same as the triple play. We didn't fare very well on the game. The best I ever did was hit a base $4000 Royal. The game also didn't generate the free play offers we were expecting. Live and learn.
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March 28th, 2013 at 4:55:17 PM permalink
Yeah, with all quads or better paying 2X and the straight paying 7X, the machine goes down to 98.95%. Still better than most Ult X machines, but probably not as high as you were expecting. And Ult X is a tough game to swallow variance wise, even with a one-line machine.
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March 28th, 2013 at 5:04:07 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Ult X is a tough game to swallow variance wise


The jackpot would of course be a dealt full house followed by a dealt royal (worth 480,000 coins in 10-play). To put that in perspective, you are about 2.5 times more likely to win the Powerball or Mega Millions jackpot from a single ticket.
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March 28th, 2013 at 5:23:15 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

When I was playing Multi-Strike at Caesar's during my stay there, I noticed that Ultimate X (next machine over) had more than a few people walking by, pressing the buttons to check if anyone had left multipliers on the machine.

Diminished returns are always a fact of life when it comes to progressives and rapeable machines. Some progressives go from a few hundred a day when released to becoming practically stupid checking them within a year. There are always copycats and LCDs to compete with.
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May 28th, 2013 at 10:50:35 AM permalink
Are you working on a deuces wild strategy anytime soon?
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May 28th, 2013 at 8:22:04 PM permalink
Quote: axcisplayer

Are you working on a deuces wild strategy anytime soon?



I'd also be interested in seeing this as well as it is best paying version I can play for 60c a round at my local casino...lol However, if I had to conjecture, deuces wild may deviate the least from standard strategy. The biggest adjustment may be to be more aggressive on straight flush draws than normal.

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