Ayecarumba
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December 11th, 2012 at 8:32:12 AM permalink
FYI, there are some extra characters in the page's title line.
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JB
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December 11th, 2012 at 8:50:19 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

FYI, there are some extra characters in the page's title line.


Interesting. It is supposed to look like this:


How does it look on your end?
Ayecarumba
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December 11th, 2012 at 10:46:41 AM permalink
Like this:

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December 11th, 2012 at 11:33:48 AM permalink
Thanks, I just fixed it.
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bugsyluciano
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December 16th, 2012 at 9:28:09 AM permalink
Wizard, thanks for the new strategies, any idea if and when Double Double Bonus will be added to the Ultimate X strategies offered?
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January 9th, 2013 at 12:10:24 PM permalink
I would also be very interested in DDB strategy. Do you have any variance numbers for this game too?
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January 9th, 2013 at 10:47:37 PM permalink
Quote: bublite

I would also be very interested in DDB strategy. Do you have any variance numbers for this game too?



Unfortunately I am not as much of a VPGenius as JB, but you can roughly piece together a DDB Strategy by using the Bonus Poker, Bonus Poker Deluxe, and Double Bonus strategies JB has listed. Hopefully JB can check this for me at some point.

I believe there are two significant classes for DDB though for most players.

Paytables where the flush pays 6, and paytables where the flush pays 5.

If your DDB paytable pays 6 for a flush, use 8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe strategy as a starting point (proposed changes in bold):

Basic Strategy

Full house or better
4 to a royal flush
Flush
Straight
3 of a kind
4 to a straight flush
2 pair
1 pair Aces
4 to a flush with 3 high cards
1 pair, Jacks thru Kings
4 to a flush with 0, 1, or 2 high cards
3 to a royal flush
4 to a straight 89TJ; 9TJQ; TJQK
1 pair, 2s through 4s
4 to a straight 2345; 3456; 4567; 5678; 6789; 789T
1 pair, 5s through 10s (biggest question mark; quad 5-10s only worth 50 in DDB vs. 80 in BDlx)
3 to a straight flush 345; 456; 567; 678; 789; 78J; 89T; 89J/8TJ; 8JQ; 9TJ; 9TQ; 9JQ; 9JK/9QK
4 to a straight 9JQK; TJQA; TJKA; TQKA; JQKA
3 to a flush 2JQ to 7JQ; 2JK to 8QK; 2TA to 9KA
3 to a straight flush 79J/7TJ; 89Q/8TQ; 9TK
2 to a royal flush JQ; JK/QK; JA/QA/KA
3 to a straight flush Ace-low; 234/235/245; 346/356; 457/467; 568/578; 679/689; 78T/79T
4 to a straight 89JQ/8TJQ; 9TJK/9TQK
3 to a straight TJQ; JQK
3 to a flush 29J to 6TJ; 29Q to 7TQ; 23K to 8TK; 28A to 89A
2 to a straight JQ
3 to a flush 23J to 68J; 23Q to 78Q; 27A to 67A
2 to a royal flush TJ
3 to a flush 26A to 56A
2 to a straight JK/QK
4 to a straight A234/A245/A345; 789J; 89TQ
2 to a royal flush TQ
3 to a straight flush 246; 347/357/367; 458/468/478; 569/579/589
4 to a straight A235; 78TJ/79TJ
3 to a straight flush 236/256; 67T/68T/69T
2 to a straight JA/QA/KA
2 to a royal flush TK
a Jack, Queen, King, or Ace
4 to a straight 2346/2356/2456; 3457/3467/3567; 4568/4578/4678; 5679/5689/5789; 678T/679T/689T
3 to a flush 237 to 59T
Discard everything

If DDB only pays 5 for the flush (every Ult X machine I have ever seen) :(

Use the 7/5 Bonus Strategy as the base (proposed changes in bold):

Basic Strategy

Full house or better
4 to a royal flush
Flush
Straight
3 of a kind
2 pair
1 pair, Aces
4 to a straight flush
1 pair, Jacks through Kings
4 to a flush
3 to a royal flush
4 to a straight -- 89TJ; 9TJQ; TJQK (OESD become split like BDlx table)
1 pair, 2s through 4s
4 to a straight 2345; 3456; 4567; 5678; 6789; 789T (split part 2)
1 pair, 5s through 10s (50 vs 80 payout in BDlx)
3 to a straight flush 345; 456; 567; 678; 789; 89T; 89J/8TJ; 9TJ; 9TQ; 9JQ
4 to a straight JQKA
3 to a straight flush 8JQ; 9JK/9QK
4 to a straight 9JQK; TJQA/TJKA/TQKA
3 to a flush 2JA to 9KA
2 to a royal flush JQ; JK/QK; JA/QA/KA
4 to a straight 89JQ/8TJQ; 9TJK/9TQK
3 to a straight flush Ace-low; 234/235/245; 346/356; 457/467; 568/578; 679/689; 78T/79T; 78J/79J/7TJ; 89Q/8TQ; 9TK
3 to a straight TJQ; JQK
2 to a straight JQ; JK/QK
2 to a royal flush TJ
4 to a straight Ace-low; 789J/78TJ/79TJ; 89TQ
2 to a straight JA/QA/KA
2 to a royal flush TQ
3 to a flush 23Q to 8TK; 2TA to 9TA
2 to a royal flush TK
a Jack, Queen, King, or Ace
3 to a straight flush 236/246/256; 347/357/367; 458/468/478; 569/579/589; 67T/68T/69T
4 to a straight 2346/2356/2456; 3457/3467/3567; 4568/4578/4678; 5679/5689/5789; 678T/679T/689T
3 to a flush 237 to 59T
Discard everything

Just looking at these estimated strategies, I'm sure tons of people play Ult X terribly. Who wants to hold Aces up in DDB? lol And 3 to a flush?

And for variance, JB's Video Poker analyzer will do it for a 1-hand game (but I think it uses the 10-hand multipliers):
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/

9/6 DDB has a variance of 71.73/hand vs. 41.98
8/5 DDB has a variance of 70.91/hand vs. 41.99
djkrick
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March 10th, 2013 at 4:00:45 AM permalink
thanks a ton for even working out that strategy tringlomane!
I've been "guessing", although it be somewhat educated by JB's other Ultimate X strategies. I've been holding 2 pair and 3 to a flush! ugh...
My question is, do you change your strategy after you already have multipliers? If you've been dealt a full house to hold on all 10 lines giving you a 12X multiplier on the next hand and then get dealt AA223, do you still hold the 2 pair or just the AA since, how I say it, "the bases are loaded"?

Also, can anyone come close to giving a strategy for deuces wild Ultimate X? I have been holding all kinds of weird stuff like straight draws with a deuce or 4 flush with a deuce to get the multipliers.

Thanks so much to the Wizard for his site and everyone's hard work!!!

I'll be going to Laughlin on March 26 and hope to use your DDB strategy and put it to good and hopefully winning use! :=)
bugsyluciano
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March 11th, 2013 at 11:01:38 PM permalink
Where in Laughlin do they have Ultimate X with 9/6 DDB?
djkrick
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March 12th, 2013 at 6:17:10 AM permalink
I'm not sure what the return on the game was. I will check when I'm out there in 2 weeks. I'll probably play it even if it is 9/5 though. It's a fun game! :)
According to videopoker.com these casinos have the game in Laughlin but I have no idea what the returns are.

Aquarius Casino Resort
Avi Hotel Casino
Colorado Belle Hotel & Casino
Edgewater Hotel & Casino
Golden Nugget Laughlin
Harrahs Casino Hotel Laughlin
River Palms Resort Casino
Riverside Resort & Casino
Tropicana Express Hotel & Casino

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