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DeMango
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November 8th, 2019 at 8:49:45 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I call 'em as I see 'em. And I don't think it's bullying to call out belittling trash talk against other members. His previous insults were directed at posts people had made, but these are directed at people he doesn't like, themselves. That's where I've drawn the line many times. And I'm drawing it there this time, too.


I don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.
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November 8th, 2019 at 8:59:46 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

I don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.



I stand with BBB. I have tried to politely interact with MD and his responses have been less than polite. The other members have called out his outrageous claims as..... outrageous claims! If you want to call that bullying we can agree to disagree......

As is often the case, the suspension meted out by BBB is due to the sum of many posts, not any single one.
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November 8th, 2019 at 9:08:26 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

The other members have called out his outrageous claims as..... outrageous claims! If you want to call that bullying we can agree to disagree......


You note outrageous claim. Possibly. Have you seen him play? Does the Martingale, for example never work? Have you blocked him? Disagreement is not bullying, continuing snarky comments are. My point is that, for example, we suspend Axel, for these two weeks, we might in the future reduce the bullying.

My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.
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November 8th, 2019 at 9:46:08 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

I don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.



I can't disagree with anything you wrote here, either. More of a "mean girls" culture than "bullying", but pervasive and cringe-worthy overall.

I'm in favor of him taking us along for the ride, whether fact or fiction, but for me, the conflict comes when he credits his success to a gambling system that is patently unsound. It just feeds the susceptible non-math-based fantasies of the GenPop, which we are supposed to be educating.

He takes it a step further by ignoring any factual rebuttal, and advising other posters in blog comments and baccarat threads to apply his Gambler's Fallacies, and draws disparagement from people who have given up on refuting his claims, but who still are addressing his posts, not him, now in a derogatory fashion.

He then gets defensive, still mistaking variance for viability, and mistaking debunking substance for resentment or envy, and makes it personal by addressing individual detractors of his system in belittling and condescending descriptors, bragging about blocking the naysayers, all the rest.

This is where I step in.

He did not understand the difference last time. He likely won't understand it this time, though I keep trying to explain.

How many times have we seen this downward spiral from system players? 20? 30? 100? Some politely persist, some blow up, most either leave or learn. But it seems to need to play itself out every time.
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November 8th, 2019 at 10:11:46 AM permalink
I'll have to learn how to press into a run of nearly 30 Banker wins in a row.
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November 8th, 2019 at 10:25:52 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

You note outrageous claim. Possibly. Have you seen him play? Does the Martingale, for example never work? Have you blocked him? Disagreement is not bullying, continuing snarky comments are. My point is that, for example, we suspend Axel, for these two weeks, we might in the future reduce the bullying.

My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.
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He has said that it’s a fact that varying bet size cancels out the effects of the house edge.

He has also said that if gamblers would just walk away from sessions while ahead at -EV games, casinos would immediately go bankrupt.

He has also said that knowing when banker or player is due based on the prior pattern is the basis to his lifetime of consistent winning.

If people like that were welcomed to the board and encouraged to continue posting their nonsense, and were immune to being called out on their b.s. , then what would the purpose of the board be? It’s a forum that’s connected to a web site meant to educate and make people smarter bettors. If someone new joined the forum, who was interested in playing baccarat, and they see this guys incorrect theories being posted without rebuke , who does that help ?

If it makes him feel better to post mathematically unsound ideas as facts and block anyone who says otherwise , then let him do it at another board. Maybe in the next two weeks he’ll find a place for it.
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November 8th, 2019 at 10:34:38 AM permalink
Casinos probably would go bankrupt if anytime someone was ahead they'd quit. I don't know how likely you are to ever be ahead, but I think there's a pretty good chance at some point you'll be ahead. if that person quits forever, they aren't going to expose themselves to the house edge anymore because they won't play anymore. It's tough for a casino to keep the lights on if people aren't playing.

Is MDawg permabanned yet? Or can we still not insult him yet?
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November 8th, 2019 at 10:40:33 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.

I have to also respectfully disagree. I have reread this thread, and with the possible exception of PG's 'friends' comment and Axel's response, I didn't find any snark. Perhaps you and I see snark differently.

But IMHO, what got us to this point was the hostility in the OP's posts. I'd invite you to read his response to the first comment about his trip back on Page 1. I found this to be insulting not only to the commenter, but to the forum as a whole.

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My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.

Perhaps. I'll agree with you that this place can occasionally get a little "clique-y," but I don't think that was the issue in this particular case.
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November 8th, 2019 at 11:22:24 AM permalink
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He has said that it’s a fact that varying bet size cancels out the effects of the house edge.

He has also said that if gamblers would just walk away from sessions while ahead at -EV games, casinos would immediately go bankrupt.

He has also said that knowing when banker or player is due based on the prior pattern is the basis to his lifetime of consistent winning.

If people like that were welcomed to the board and encouraged to continue posting their nonsense, and were immune to being called out on their b.s. , then what would the purpose of the board be? It’s a forum that’s connected to a web site meant to educate and make people smarter bettors. If someone new joined the forum, who was interested in playing baccarat, and they see this guys incorrect theories being posted without rebuke , who does that help ?

If it makes him feel better to post mathematically unsound ideas as facts and block anyone who says otherwise , then let him do it at another board. Maybe in the next two weeks he’ll find a place for it.





This is an excellent post! Well said.
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November 8th, 2019 at 11:39:29 AM permalink
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Who says bullying doesn’t work? It just did. Maybe if the bully’s would share the two week suspension, the bullying on this site might lessen.

He has all the... so called bullies blocked, so how could it have worked?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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