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June 15th, 2019 at 10:44:04 PM permalink
Just got back from Atlantic City. Quick trip--about 24 hours. Went with my girlfriend who had never been to any casino before (and likely she'll never go to one again). One of her friends lives in NJ and met us there for part of the trip. They spent some time walking the boardwalk and hanging out.

Travel

Greyhound from Port Authority was more of a s$%^ show that usual. Ended up leaving 3.5 hours later than planned. They are enforcing the new rule that you can only leave on the departure listed on your ticket. On the plus side, no traffic in either direction.

Slots

Perhaps as a way of the Greyhound gods making it up to me for the miserable trip, my $25 bus bonus slot dollars turned into $120 real dollars. I don't like slots, so I just try to play through the minimum amount I can do to cash out. Hit a bonus round on the second spin and started the trip off with a nice win. I've historically gotten very little back from the bus bonus dollars, but this worked out well. Girlfriend turned her bonus dollars into $10 real money.

Hotel

Had a comped night at Harrah's. Line to check in was an HOUR. Painfully slow. There were 5 tellers for diamond/7 star members and 1 teller for everyone else. Diamond/7 star members kept trickling in just often enough to keep the plebes stuck waiting on the line for 1 teller. There were check-in kiosks, but they told you to go to the desk. It was brutal. Eventually got to the front and they apologized for the wait. Offered to upgrade us to a suite. The suite was honestly very nice, but it was clearly a smoking suite and I had asked for non-smoking. If I had a choice of any CET properties to stay at, I wouldn't go to Harrah's. I don't like the location of the marina properties and there's nothing special to keep me interested in Harrah's.

Unrelated note: I don't know if Harrah's is making a concerted efforts to be more friendly to guests, but every time I asked a question to an employee (putting aside front desk staff), they were exceptionally friendly. Almost to the point of being over the top about it. There was a lot of "Hello, sir! My name is ___! Thanks for you being our guest today! How can I be of assistance to you!" Something along those lines was said by everyone I spoke to, almost like it was a rehearsed line that had been drilled into them.


Other Hotels Visited

Spent time at Ocean, Hard Rock, Caesar's and Bally's. Girlfriend said Ocean was her favorite, followed by Hard Rock, Caesars, Bally's and Harrah's. She vehemently hated Harrah's. Said it felt depressing. I personally think Bally's feels much more depressing than Harrah's, but to each his own. She said that she did like the pool at Harrah's.

Food

Ocean has a taco truck/bar just off the main floor. Specials from 1-5 daily. $2 margaritas and $2 tacos. We all loved the food. Tacos were great, especially for the cost. I think chicken tacos were much better than the pork tacos. I didn't drink, but girlfriend said the margaritas were sweet and not very strong, but a solid win for $2. She ate a Johnny Rockets later at Bally's and said it was good.

Video Poker

Played $1 96 JOB at Harrah's and 0.25 cent 96 JOB at Caesars. If it matters to you, I believe Harrah's was $20 for 1 tier point vs $50:1 at Caesars. I racked up a top of tier points at Harrah's. Played roughly 2 hours between the two locations and ended up roughly $5 down. Drink service at Harrah's was a pleasant surprise--quick and friendly, ordered through the machine itself. Harrah's has a fair number of full pay machines, but only at $1 and up denom.


Craps

Played $5 craps at WWW. Packed table. 10x odds. For the most part, a very upbeat and friendly table. Several happy drunks who were having a good time and making bets for the dealers and shooters. I enjoyed playing with them. There were a few people who had to make everyone miserable, including one guy who kept buying in for trivial amounts ($23) and then AFTER getting his chips throwing a $1 bill at the stick and asking for a hard 8. Several people kept throwing their chips into the place bet area to make place bets. Dealers were not happy about that and told them to put their money in the come and then tell them what they want. There was an overwhelming amount of center action. 6 or 7 players regularly betting the hard ways and hopping, high-lows, midnight, etc etc. I felt bad for the stick trying to keep track of it all. One of the dealers seemed very new and overwhelmed. Another dealer (older woman) was sharp as a knife. She was correcting missed bets and helping the stick even while not on stick. If you were playing for time/comps, it was a dream table. Maybe 12-15 pass line bets resolved per hour. I stuck to my usual routine--$5 passline and $50 odds. I know there's much more I could be betting on, but that's plenty of action for me and a rough expected loss of about $2-$2.50 per hour is just right (on this table it was even less given how long it was taking between rolls). After an uneven start, table turned hot. Left up $360.

PGT

Played at Ocean for about an hour. Very friendly. Most of the time played solo so banked every other hand. Girlfriend watched for about 10 mins. Said she had no idea what was happening, but the "tiles look pretty." I tried to explain very generally. Took 15 mins for the pit boss to ask me where I (white guy) learned how to play pai gow tiles. I said, "have you ever head of wizard of odds?" He thought for a second and said, "oh yeah, I know wizard of odds." I don't really like the location of the Asian games section at Ocean. Feels too out in the open, but the casino is beautiful.

Played a longer session at another casino. I was the only person tipping--at one point, the dealer pushed a hand that I lost (I had bet $1 for him). It could have been a mistake, or it could have been a "thanks for tipping" move. I kept the tip up and won the next hand. He dropped a $2 toke.

PGT overall +$150 or so.

Trip Total: Up $620 or so. Variance was on my side for this quick trip.
FleaStiff
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June 16th, 2019 at 1:42:03 AM permalink
Quote: TinMan

Trip Total: Up $620 or so. Variance was on my side for this quick trip.

That is what matters.
Girlfriend needs Gambling School. Or MyVegas?? WoO games links???
Greyhound seems beyond belief and definitely beyond all hope.
When offered the upgrade, that is the time to say 'only if it is a non-smoking suite'. i'd prefer a nonsmoking room to a smoking suite, but your GF may have different views as you do on the matter.
Drink ordering from the slot machine saves time and errors and the waitress walks less.
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June 16th, 2019 at 10:07:03 AM permalink
Quote: TinMan


PGT

Played at Ocean for about an hour. Very friendly. Most of the time played solo so banked every other hand. Girlfriend watched for about 10 mins. Said she had no idea what was happening, but the "tiles look pretty." I tried to explain very generally. Took 15 mins for the pit boss to ask me where I (white guy) learned how to play pai gow tiles. I said, "have you ever head of wizard of odds?" He thought for a second and said, "oh yeah, I know wizard of odds." I don't really like the location of the Asian games section at Ocean. Feels too out in the open, but the casino is beautiful.

Played a longer session at another casino. I was the only person tipping--at one point, the dealer pushed a hand that I lost (I had bet $1 for him). It could have been a mistake, or it could have been a "thanks for tipping" move. I kept the tip up and won the next hand. He dropped a $2 toke.



What was the minimum at tiles? Do you use a strategy or just go with your gut?

I can't remember where I first learned to play tiles.... it was over 15 years ago. Think I learned from some random website that wasn't WoO, then a couple years later I found a copy of Musante's book.
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June 16th, 2019 at 10:29:53 AM permalink
It was $25 at Ocean, Hard Rock and Caesars. $20 at Bally's. PGT table wasn't open yet when I was at Harrah's, but PGP was open and it was $25 a hand, so I assume it would be the same for PGT.

The strategy I use is a combo of the Wizard's Simple Strategy from WOO and the strategy he advocates on his YouTube videos. They're basically the same, except I think the advice on pair splitting may be different (at a minimum, it's worded differently). E.G., WOO says never split 10s or 11s. YouTube video says never split 4s, 10s or 11s. Overall, I prefer the way he explains pair splitting on the YouTube videos. I think it's easier to follow.

The main deviation I make from his Simple Strategy is in the section on two or three ways to pay H-9, Gong, Wong. I find all of the exceptions and caveats to be confusing, so I generally following a H-9 before Gong, Gong before Wong approach.
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July 14th, 2019 at 4:13:39 PM permalink
I just spent another day in Atlantic City. Nothing really memorable hapened, so I didn't think it warranted a new thread, but tacking in on here in case anyone is interested in reading. There were no big swings really. I came out almost exactly even.

GREYHOUND

As always, Greyhound was a mess. Bus leaving from Port Authority was 30 mins late. Driver said, "we just didn't have a bus here." There was traffic, which wasn't their fault. Roughly 70 minutes from Atlantic City a guy walks to the front of the bus and the bus driver pulls over. They both get off. Bus driver comes back on and announces that they guy has kidney failure and asked for an ambulance to be called. Ambulance got there (on the side of the highway) faster than expected and we were on our way. In total, we arrived at Caesars 90 minutes after the scheduled arrival time.

The way back was more of a mess. Bus didn't show up at all. We eventually learned that the bus bypassed Bally's. The NEXT bus pulled up and the driver refused to take our tickets due to their new policy. Told us to go to the station (2 blocks away). At the station, there was one person working the counter and roughly 20 people in line. Each person took forever. Eventually one person at the counter instructed one of the bus drivers to let us on her bus even though our tickets weren't for that departure. Bus was packed--every seat taken. 30 minutes outside NYC, two women start yelling. Childish stuff about each one invading the other's space. They slapped at each other a bit but mostly it was incessant bickering. Driver pulled over and screamed at both of them. Guy offered to change seats to separate them. One woman kept loudly talking to herself about jumping the other once we got back to NYC. Fun times.

HOTEL

It was a Saturday night and I'd never get a comped room in the Summer and certainly wouldn't pay for a room. The plan was just to power through the night. Overall, plan went well (see VP caveat below). Stayed within Bally's/Caesars/WWW the entire time.

VIDEO POKER

Played 25 cent 96 JOB. There's a progressive that was roughly $1050 for a RF. I checked the math of WOO when I got home and that upped the return ~0.1%. Hit one straight flush and 2 4OAKs. In total played roughly 3 hours over several sessions. Because I didn't have a room, found myself in the position of playing JOB at 6am after not sleeping the night before. Noticed 3 errors caused by fatigue within 15 minutes in the last session. That was the time to call it a day with VP. In total, lost $55.


SPORTS BETTING

I had never actually placed a sports bet in NJ before. Looked at the board and there was a Twins game starting in a few minutes. Friend of mine is a Twins fan so I took them on the money line. Watched the last two innings. They won, so I'm up for life in sports betting. In total, up $26.

PGT

Played ~2.5 hours at Bally's. I've had dealers ask questions like, "So, where'd you learn how to play this game?" where the unsaid premise is "you're a white guy." At Bally's one dealer (also white) was really explicit about it. I walk up to the table (it was empty) and he says, "Whoa, haven't seen you around here before. Not too many white people play this game." A few minutes later the cocktail waitress comes around and he says to her, "Hey [her first name], I've got a white guy here and he knows how to set his hands." Eventually a few Asian players came over and he clammed up and wasn't chatty anymore. Note: this was all good-natured. In total, won $20.

CRAPS

One older guy (60s) was making life miserable for the dealers. I had seen him before. He's always plastered and grouchy and dumps chips on the table. He either mumbles what he wants or says nothing and yells at the dealers who ask. It seems like he may have been angle-shooting on when his bets were on/off because there was one argument about that that I saw and every dealer on nearly every roll asked him to confirm if his bets were on or off. He was betting a lot--at least $50 on the pass line (no odds), or sometimes a doey-don't a few times. He was placing something like $170 inside while betting $300-$500 on the Lay 10. Chain smoking and generally just being a pain. In total, I lost $85.

POKER

Poker room is small, but fine. Ended up at a table where 3 guys were there for a bachelor party and 3 guys (including a dad) was there was a kid's 21st birthday. Atmosphere was friendly and social. Pretty clear most people had minimal experience playing poker in a casino. In total, won $90.
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July 14th, 2019 at 5:35:23 PM permalink
Due to the Greyhound nightmare and ridiculous policy I have already migrated to NJ transit also at port authority.

The bus makes one stop in Toms River so near to express as a local bus gets.

Seats are wider. So far every bus on time.

Tickets are 10 day open so any bus any time within 10 daysnof purchase

Seems to run every hour to 2 hours. They have a schedule I just havent studied it

Buy round trip.
$38 one way
$42 round trip

All go to main terminal in AC. No bus bonus but screw that. I cant take the Greyhound headaches anymore
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July 14th, 2019 at 5:47:05 PM permalink
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Due to the Greyhound nightmare and ridiculous policy I have already migrated to NJ transit also at port authority.

The bus makes one stop in Toms River so near to express as a local bus gets.

Seats are wider. So far every bus on time.

Tickets are 10 day open so any bus any time within 10 daysnof purchase

Seems to run every hour to 2 hours. They have a schedule I just havent studied it

Buy round trip.
$38 one way
$42 round trip

All go to main terminal in AC. No bus bonus but screw that. I cant take the Greyhound headaches anymore



So get a Drivers License and a vehicle. Basics of middle class America. Or better yet, flaunt your good fortune and hire a driver. Probably beneath someone of your “fear” level, but has to beat a bus.
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July 14th, 2019 at 5:51:27 PM permalink
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2019 at 6:38:24 PM permalink
Bus a move

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July 14th, 2019 at 7:17:45 PM permalink
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So get a Drivers License and a vehicle. Basics of middle class America. Or better yet, flaunt your good fortune and hire a driver. Probably beneath someone of your “fear” level, but has to beat a bus.



They travel the same roads.

Its not like cars got superpowered atomic drives that shoot them past the bus.

After gas, tolls, paying a driver, and arriving at pretty much the same time how is a car doing anything for me except driving my costs up?

Note that most of the forum members living in NYC take the bus.

We view people who get high off their cars to be...

Well fill in the blank. It aint pretty

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