razmaspaz
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January 31st, 2017 at 12:51:13 PM permalink
I am not completely sure this is the right place to post, but it will probably result in a trip report so I'll start here.

I've been to Vegas a couple times now, and am coming back for another trip in about 3 weeks. I've stayed at Caesars (Didn't Love, except the pool I guess) Palazzo (Amazing as a resort but didn't gamble nearly at all there) and now TI. I played a lot there the first time I was in town and will probably do more this trip.

So here is the question. If I spend about $3000 in a given 4 day weekend trip, am I better off spreading my money around and looking for the better energy/tables around the strip, or would I be wise to start zeroing in on a home of sorts? Lets say I'm going to play anywhere from $10-50 a hand in blackjack depending on how I'm doing for at least 4 hours a day, and I will mix a little craps and VP in. My take is that most of the casinos, including probably TI aren't going to take notice. I know The D or the Plaza would probably comp me a nice room, for 4 hours of $25/hand and some varied craps action, but my wife and I don't really want to be downtown for a weekend when the shows/activities/restaurants we want to partake in are all on the strip. If I'm shooting for staying in a basic room someplace like Mirage, Paris, or maybe even Cromwell on a good rate, does it make more sense to just pay for the room and gamble where I want? Or am I underselling what $2500 in bankroll somewhere at a middling strip property would get me? Assume I'm going to spend the money on hotel/food/gambling/shows no matter what...I'm absolutely not asking if I should gamble more for comps. Edit: Assume I would travel from Chicago once a year.
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January 31st, 2017 at 2:06:31 PM permalink
Interesting, and a bit wordy question razmaspaz =P. In essence, you're trying to figure out how to get reliable free rooms and/or other comps at X property given your bankroll and current level of play?

For your level I think you should give Caesars properties a go... Such as Harrah's, Cromwell, and Paris. If you're willing to play $10-$50 then I'd suggest hitting the $25 tables for your sessions (I'm assuming you're not a counter nor an AP). The $25 tables should pretty much guarantee free rooms WHENEVER you want to go. Some of the other high end properties (such as Venetian, actual Caesars, Aria, Cosmo, etc) the $25 tables are like their $10 tables and might get you "discounted" rooms. I haven't paid for a hotel room (or resort fee's) to Vegas for years. I've also received 10's of thousands of dollars in comps over the last couple years alone. Yes, I might play a bit higher level than you "on some things" but you should definitely be able to accomplish free rooms whenever you want with playing at the $25 tables.

Next, do you travel with a wife, gf, etc? When booking you can give both your players cards and it will definitely up your chances of getting a room for free, and more than 3 nights too if you need (since most of their promo's are 3 nights only). This is compounded if you're both a 'higher level' card status (see next).

Also, you should look in to getting Diamond with them. The Expected Loss in running your Diamond play through on 9-5 VP is only about $300. Yes, you could swing a bit more up or down, but your expected loss is $300. I've found that for Diamond and up the perks are VERY worth it, in my opinion. $100 diamond dinner (the year you earn Diamond and the next year while you're diamond), 2 free show tickets every month (or 4 if you go on a trip month end/beginning), Diamond lounges for snacks/dinner (they've really been putting out okay meals for dinner lately - I just went last weekend), and Diamond definitely helps the look and feel for getting free rooms (NO resort fee's).

All said and done, for 2 years of this (if you earn Diamond this January you get it the rest of this year and then ALL of next year)... I think the value you get out of it is tremendous... especially if you want to find a reliable "home" on the strip and go to Vegas once or more per year.
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January 31st, 2017 at 2:25:52 PM permalink
I also would highly recommend Caesar properties, EXCEPT Caesars itself, on your bankroll. Paris is better than Caesars, Harrah's is ok. Bally or Flamingo are ok if you upgrade your room (they might comp that upgrade, but it won't be much more). You should get free rooms on all of those for that level play. Planet Hollywood I really can't say as I haven't stayed there. Cromwell is only rarely available as comps at your level, but if offered, I'd take it.

Caesars itself has ok shopping, but otherwise old and overpriced, overhyped by the company. Small garish rooms. Long hike from parking. Snotty dealers, overpriced minimums.

CET (the parent company ) is very generous with room comps. I would pick one of their properties, book it through their website (not orbitz/kayak/etc) and do all your gambling at their properties (they have about 7 on the strip, you can move between them) for 1 trip. Then before checkout, ask at the front desk to have your play evaluated. I'm guessing they'll take any points (called reward credits) you've earned that trip, and comp the rest of the room charges. Obviously I don't know, but it's worth asking.

Then in a couple months, they'll start sending you mail with free room offers. You'll want to sign up at their totalrewards.com website and register your player number. And all your offers will be there, including some they don't mail you about.

You'll want to give them some business at least once a year or you'll get dropped from their mailing list. And if you have a reward credit balance, you'll want to earn 1 cred or more within 6 months to keep those credits so you can use them on your next trip. The website gives you a lot of ways to do it.

For that matter, they have a couple properties near Chicago. Go there once or twice for a nice dinner, gamble a little, that will keep building your bank.
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razmaspaz
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January 31st, 2017 at 2:37:00 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Interesting, and a bit wordy question razmaspaz =P. In essence, you're trying to figure out how to get reliable free rooms and/or other comps at X property given your bankroll and current level of play?


Thank you, and yes, that's pretty much it, with a few exceptions about where I'm willing to stay. I'm sure I could get myself a room at Hooters without issue, but that doesn't make for a very nice romantic getaway.
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Next, do you travel with a wife, gf, etc?


Yeah my wife and I usually play on the same card, which might be a mistake.
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Also, you should look in to getting Diamond with them.


I'm assuming 300 in expected loss would take me 3-4 hours which I could do sitting watching a game at any of CETs many bars.

Thanks again.
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January 31st, 2017 at 3:37:33 PM permalink
I agree with Romes & Babs above about CET properties. I also agree that you would want to take a look at achieving Diamond Tier status with them. The savings for parking and resort fees alone would be in the hundreds for a typical Vegas trip.

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I'm assuming 300 in expected loss would take me 3-4 hours which I could do sitting watching a game at any of CETs many bars.

To do Diamond in a Day, you'd have to run $50,000 through the machines ($50,000 VP coin-in = 5,000 Tier Credits + 10,000 TC daily bonus = 15,000 TC's = Diamond). If you assume a $1 game and 500* hands per hour, that will take 20 hrs. 10 hrs for a $2 game, and 4 hrs with a $5 game.

This number may be low, depending on your proficiency.


You are more likely to end up nearer to expectation with the $1 game, but it will take all day. Note that you can break the $50k up into two $25,000 days and realize the same benefit. Also realize that "expected loss" is based on perfect VP play.

BTW, $300 seems low for 9-5 JoB ($50,000 x 1.55% = $775), unless I am missing something, which I probably am. They sometimes offer a 50% TC bonus promotion where you can get Diamond playing only about $40,000 over 3 days.
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razmaspaz
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January 31st, 2017 at 3:56:39 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman



I agree with Romes & Babs above about CET properties. I also agree that you would want to take a look at achieving Diamond Tier status with them. The savings for parking and resort fees alone would be in the hundreds for a typical Vegas trip.



That seems overstated. Even at $50/day in resort fees the total for a 3 night stay is $150. And I thought parking was still at least free for guests. Not that I rent a car in Vegas.

I'll take a look at the diamond benefits, but 8 hours of VP might be a bit much.
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February 1st, 2017 at 5:31:45 AM permalink
Quote: razmaspaz

That seems overstated.

Probably my fault for using the word 'typical.' I guess my 'typical' trip is lengthier than yours! :)

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And I thought parking was still at least free for guests.

I'm not sure this will be the case in a few months. But, like you said, if you don't have a car, it doesn't really matter.
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razmaspaz
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February 1st, 2017 at 6:13:04 AM permalink
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I'm not sure this will be the case in a few months. But, like you said, if you don't have a car, it doesn't really matter.



Thanks again for the advice/thoughts.

I took a look at the diamond benefits, since most of my time is tables and only a little VP to keep the drinks flowing at the bar, it probably doesn't make sense for me. This feels more like chasing a comp than getting it for play I would already do.

Does reaching diamond make much difference when it comes to getting free rooms somewhere like Paris, or would I get them pretty easily with green chip play at let's say Paris or Bally's. Hopefully it goes without saying that I am going to seek out games with better rules, and won't pony up for a 6-5 game under any circumstances.
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February 1st, 2017 at 6:22:19 AM permalink
I read this post and it makes me depressed. I just feel like you have little chance with your bankroll and knowledge. It's like your coming to this town to just spread your money around and go home with 4 days of entertainment. This happens every hour of everyday in Vegas. The difference is that your on a site with many winning players who could easily show you what to do and how to do it. I could easily put you up in an acceptable suite downtown for four days for free. I could wheel you around town and show you what to play for 6 to 8 hours each day. You would have a high chance of breaking even and you might fall into some big payouts. You could lose 50% of this 3k but unlikely if you start with smaller denomination games. I could even get your food and beverage for free as well.

The dilemma is that your here with your wife trying to have a fun vacation and you want to mix in gambling cause your in Rome and you must do what the Romans do.

My way of thinking is this... it's better to choose between good gamble or just fun vacation. Why give these bastards your hard earned money when you can play things that have very low risk and high reward? I don't know actually. I mean I want someone like you to come here and take advantage of the system. I hate seeing players like you come here and lose and go home happy. Time is a factor for you. You either have to try to grind out some winnings or just don't play. Stay downtown and use all that fee money for your shows.

Once again I would care less but your on here asking what is the best way to make my money last as long as possible for four days so I don't go broke before my time is up. Bad question in my mind. Ask... how can I come here for four days for free and maybe go home with more cash than I came with?

I agree with that advice about match play coupons and free play promotions for signing up at clubs. As usual for players with limited time I always think that you should take your whole gambling bankroll and bet it on one big bet. Sports book seems best but other spots seem just as good. Your not trying to get comps and offers anyways. You win and your doubled up basically for the trip. You lose... well you were gonna lose anyway at a slower pace and now you just put all your time, money and energy into making your wife happy which is never, ever a bad play.

Probably not the advice you wanted or will take but just my thoughts on the subject. I hope things go well for you out here though. Try to enjoy it cause you'll be back on the plane home before you know it. Four days goes fast!
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February 1st, 2017 at 6:44:37 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I read this post and it makes me depressed. I just feel like you have little chance with your bankroll and knowledge. It's like your coming to this town to just spread your money around and go home with 4 days of entertainment. This happens every hour of everyday in Vegas. The difference is that your on a site with many winning players who could easily show you what to do and how to do it. I could easily put you up in an acceptable suite downtown for four days for free. I could wheel you around town and show you what to play for 6 to 8 hours each day. You would have a high chance of breaking even and you might fall into some big payouts. You could lose 50% of this 3k but unlikely if you start with smaller denomination games. I could even get your food and beverage for free as well.



I actually think you may have misread my intentions. I've been pretty careful/deft with my bankroll to this point. The last 2 times I came to town I've come home about even, while playing as much as I wanted over the term of the trip. I've been careful about where/when I played, used match coupons when available, signed up for players clubs, etc. IN fact despite bringing $1000 on my first trip I played all week on money earned from match plays & free plays from the first 2 days and a few lucky breaks in BJ.

I'm now trying to figure out if it is to my advantage to strategically use my bankroll to stop paying for rooms. If I could come to Vegas and grind my way to a free suite while drinking all weekend on the house that would be WAY more fun than blowing my wad on an ill fated run at the craps table. My wife would agree. All that said, I'm not going to do all that only to find out I could have spent my $100 on brunch at Bellagio when I was instead losing $300 on VP to get a comped buffet at Harrahs. I'm here asking if it is possible to make it last AND live the good life, or if I would be better served keeping a tight watch on my bankroll and purchasing the room/tickets/meals I want anyway.

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