JohnnyQ
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April 23rd, 2015 at 3:38:14 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Mention speed count to them that should add 20% alone ;).
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Romes
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April 23rd, 2015 at 6:39:19 AM permalink
I'm glad you have a separate bankroll for Aria... I was going to say, if all you take for a trip BR is $5, um, I'm planning on taking more than that for my trip bankroll and I'm going to play red/green mins =p.

Sucks to have those streaks, Ace. Take the extra day to reset, refocus, and RELAX! I'm sure someone with your stature at the casinos can get a free massage or something? I've never even had a professional massage, got to imagine it's very relaxing.

Quick question to confirm: In one of your last few threads I thought I recalled you saying you weren't even using SC? Are you just playing BS, or are you using SC as well? 100% of the time?
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April 23rd, 2015 at 7:12:18 AM permalink
If you want a quick-loss rebate, you need to negotiate that in advance. On the strip, these rebates typically require a line of credit of $100k or more and an average wager of at least $1000. You sign a contract for your perks in advance of your play.

I am not sure what GN requires, or if they even offer quick-loss rebates. Otherwise, your T-Win will be the basis for what you get in comps. A brief duration of play at blackjack will not earn you much. For example, if you played 10 hours, 60 hands per hour, with an average bet of $200, then the GN may record your T-Win as approximately 10 x 60 x $200 x 1.5% = $1800. Based on your posts, I don't believe you bet that much on average, or played that long, so your T-Win as they recorded may be less.

Typically your discretionary comps (onsite perks not arranged in advance) may typically be limited to 5% of your T-Win, or about $90 in the example above (often the limitation on discretionary is 3% of T-Win). Their total budget for you (room, food beverage, show-up perks, and marketing) is limited to 30% to 40% of your anticipated T-Win. If you don't generate even this amount (because of a quick-loss), they may already view themselves as upside down to you. This view is correct.

When you think about it in these terms, maybe you can understand their point of view better. Your T-Win is not enough for you to be special to them, you are just your T-Win. Every loser is going to whine for more. To the casino, the amount you actually lost is not how much you lost. This is the mathematically correct way to view comps. If a casino thinks otherwise, they may find themself on the other side of "Don Johnson." and it's not pretty.

Blackjack players, especially, view themselves as worth a lot more than their actual value. A $3 slot player is worth far more than a $100 blackjack player. This misunderstanding by blackjack players happens everywhere and I hear it from casino marketing and DTGs everywhere. Casinos are used to blackjack players thinking that because they make large wagers, they are a valuable customer. The truth is, not so much.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 7:53:36 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Lost trip bankroll
Just lost all but 2 hands in 3 shuffles of double deck (including 6 doubles)


Holy sh$&
I have no idea what to do now



You still have that bottle of Gray Goose? Pour a drink and watch a movie. When I'm running bad I usually just watch a movie. It's cheaper. I have plenty of time to lose my bankroll. Never like to lose it all too soon.

I hope Aria treats you better. Good luck. I enjoy your reports but I enjoy them more when you're winning.

Maybe you need a monkey?
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:24:48 AM permalink
Plenty to do downtown without gambling. Without drinking, not so much.

Go to "Insert Coins" and play some old video games from the 80's and 90's.

Drink a Scorpion Shot at "Nacho Daddy"

Check out the old Pullman car between Plaza and MSS. That will take up 5 minutes.

Have you done the Mob Museum? Easy to spend 2+ hours in there.

Walk 3 blocks up to "Gold and Silver" Pawn. Rick will be glad to offer you $500 for your Rolex.

Most of all, keep your head up and here's to better variance at Aria!!
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:40:47 AM permalink
They are installing a Mayweather Pac fight machine on Fremont street. They will have merch and VIP meet and greets so if your dream was to hang out with Buboy there you go.

Wish this was a joke.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:45:54 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I'm glad you have a separate bankroll for Aria... I was going to say, if all you take for a trip BR is $5, um, I'm planning on taking more than that for my trip bankroll and I'm going to play red/green mins =p.

Sucks to have those streaks, Ace. Take the extra day to reset, refocus, and RELAX! I'm sure someone with your stature at the casinos can get a free massage or something? I've never even had a professional massage, got to imagine it's very relaxing.

Quick question to confirm: In one of your last few threads I thought I recalled you saying you weren't even using SC? Are you just playing BS, or are you using SC as well? 100% of the time?




Yeah that's true - sometimes I use sometimes I don't - sometimes I am so stressed from work that I just want to give my brain a break from any tasks and just let the mindless basic strategy take over with SC (insert joke about SC being mindless here lol)
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:46:41 AM permalink
Quote: texasplumr

You still have that bottle of Gray Goose? Pour a drink and watch a movie. When I'm running bad I usually just watch a movie. It's cheaper. I have plenty of time to lose my bankroll. Never like to lose it all too soon.

I hope Aria treats you better. Good luck. I enjoy your reports but I enjoy them more when you're winning.

Maybe you need a monkey?




Where does one buy a monkey that forecasts cards to be dealt?
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:46:50 AM permalink
Quote: Perdition

They are installing a Mayweather Pac fight machine on Fremont street. They will have merch and VIP meet and greets so if your dream was to hang out with Buboy there you go.

Wish this was a joke.



That fight is generating a ton of buzz. I just don't get it. This would have been a great fight.............in 2009. Now it is just sad. It would be like watching Magic vs Bird in a game of 1 on 1 today.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:47:34 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Plenty to do downtown without gambling. Without drinking, not so much.

Go to "Insert Coins" and play some old video games from the 80's and 90's.

Drink a Scorpion Shot at "Nacho Daddy"

Check out the old Pullman car between Plaza and MSS. That will take up 5 minutes.

Have you done the Mob Museum? Easy to spend 2+ hours in there.

Walk 3 blocks up to "Gold and Silver" Pawn. Rick will be glad to offer you $500 for your Rolex.

Most of all, keep your head up and here's to better variance at Aria!!




Interesting ideas but the best one was to "keep your head up"
Thank you
aceofspades
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:48:09 AM permalink
Quote: Perdition

They are installing a Mayweather Pac fight machine on Fremont street. They will have merch and VIP meet and greets so if your dream was to hang out with Buboy there you go.

Wish this was a joke.



Oh wow (cringeworthy) - I have no idea who Buboy is
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:54:30 AM permalink
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:55:33 AM permalink
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Delete


Awww deleted??? What was it?
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:55:41 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Where does one buy a monkey that forecasts cards to be dealt?



B79..
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:56:28 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Awww deleted??? What was it?



I reposted: B79
Gabes22
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:56:46 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

B79..


I was gonna guess at www.oceanfrontpropertyinArizona.com
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:59:02 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

I was gonna guess at www.oceanfrontpropertyinArizona.com


when this global warming thing kicks in....maybe

BTW, it's in the 30's and snowing in the Detroit area right now.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 8:59:41 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Yeah that's true - sometimes I use sometimes I don't...


Understandably so. Just be aware that when you're playing regular BS you're expected to lose. Okay maybe not every hand for 3 shoes lol, but you get my point! In a perfect mathematical world you'd put out your $100 bet, and you'd lose ~25 cents every hand, then you'd quit whenever you wanted.

Quote: aceofspades

Where does one buy a monkey that forecasts cards to be dealt?


I was under the impression the monkey did not forecast cars, its power is that when it's presented the NEXT card will be a monkey (face card)! lol you should so try to find a little golden monkey and test its abilities at the tables when doubling down or you need the dealer to bust =D. If nothing else you might have more fun!
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April 23rd, 2015 at 9:01:08 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

when this global warming thing kicks in....maybe

BTW, it's in the 30's and snowing in the Detroit area right now.



You just have what he had in Chicago yesterday
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April 23rd, 2015 at 9:06:30 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

You just have what he had in Chicago yesterday


At least our $15 million+ homes won't eventually fall into the ocean :-)
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April 23rd, 2015 at 10:07:38 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

At least our $15 million+ homes won't eventually fall into the ocean :-)



Eventually it will all fall into the ocean, it's one of those mathematical certainties everyone loves to rave about. But oceanfront in AZ is not something to invest in unless you gotta a really long timeline.

I think AoS luck is ready for a change.... I hope so. 2F
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AxelWolf
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:24:06 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

If you want a quick-loss rebate, you need to negotiate that in advance. On the strip, these rebates typically require a line of credit of $100k or more and an average wager of at least $1000. You sign a contract for your perks in advance of your play.
.

Very good by the book explanation, especially for a QL rebate.

You can do it that way, but you seriously don't need to do all that BS.


AOS should add some VP/slots to his play if done right that would probably add significantly value.

AOS doesn't seem to be searching for value, he's searching for positive variance and entertainment.

Had he won 5k he probably wouldn't give free play/ chippies/ rebate a second thought.

That's the difference between recreational gamblers and AP's. Win lose or draw, AP's want that free play/chips/rebates. If an AP wins a ton of money but fails to get the extras, they are upset and feel as if they lost because they actually lost value.
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aceofspades
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:37:38 AM permalink
Based on teliot's and Axel's advice I negotiated a QL of 500 :-)
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:40:19 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Based on teliot's and Axel's advice I negotiated a QL of 500 :-)

ELIOTS ADVICE ? You deposited 100k or 100k credit line? 1000 a hand? good grief Ace.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:49:21 AM permalink
I picture it like this.

Ace has long conversation with host.

Host *big hug with AOS* Host *Whispers in ear* you had me at speed count.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
aceofspades
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:55:51 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I picture it like this.

Ace has long conversation with host.

Host *big hug with AOS* Host *Whispers in ear* you had me at speed count.




LOL

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teliot
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April 23rd, 2015 at 11:56:35 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Based on teliot's and Axel's advice I negotiated a QL of 500 :-)

This sounds like a 5% QL. That's very generous of them. Good going.
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aceofspades
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:03:26 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

This sounds like a 5% QL. That's very generous of them. Good going.



I had lost 7k

So now the Trip is -6500

Let the second half of the trip begin!
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:05:27 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

This sounds like a 5% QL. That's very generous of them. Good going.

Probably had nothing to do with a QL. They probably would've gave it to him had he won.

I need a book called: F the long detailed AP information, explanations, charts, analysis, this is how you actually do it and make money.

To my readers:
The longest part of this book will be the title.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:07:41 PM permalink
Sorry to hear about your tough run, Ace. But congrats on wrangling that $500 QL rebate. Might I suggest you use it to take one of those *ahem* charming ladies you always seem to attract on Fremont St. out on the town tonight? ;)

I know, I know, you have written off the ladies. Definitely +EV for the bankroll.

Go get 'em at Aria!
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Gabes22
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:10:15 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Sorry to hear about your tough run, Ace. But congrats on wrangling that $500 QL rebate. Might I suggest you use it to take one of those *ahem* charming ladies you always seem to attract on Fremont St. out on the town tonight? ;)

I know, I know, you have written off the ladies. Definitely +EV for the bankroll.

Go get 'em at Aria!



At least drive her around for a half hour or so like greasyjohn until you drop her off and give her nothing
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:29:59 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

At least drive her around for a half hour or so like greasyjohn until you drop her off and give her nothing



I had forgotten this. I laughed so hard people came to my office wondering what was so funny.

Thanks for that!
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:39:35 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

At least drive her around for a half hour or so like greasyjohn until you drop her off and give her nothing



He should've taken a pic so we could see what $20 drive around money gets you these days lol
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:49:01 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

He should've taken a pic so we could see what $20 drive around money gets you these days lol


...You are in Vegas. I'm sure there's a bar with some video poker and pretty girls around ;). Not saying you want/have to do anything, but maybe $20 for a drive around the block lol. We ask in the name of science, Ace. We need to know.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:53:53 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

...You are in Vegas. I'm sure there's a bar with some video poker and pretty girls around ;). Not saying you want/have to do anything, but maybe $20 for a drive around the block lol. We ask in the name of science, Ace. We need to know.



And at the rate he's going that 20 minutes might save him $1500 at the blackjack tables
+$1480 EV
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:59:03 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

...You are in Vegas. I'm sure there's a bar with some video poker and pretty girls around ;). Not saying you want/have to do anything, but maybe $20 for a drive around the block lol. We ask in the name of science, Ace. We need to know.



Well that would entail a rental car or taxi ride expense as well lol
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April 23rd, 2015 at 12:59:23 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

And at the rate he's going that 20 minutes might save him $1500 at the blackjack tables
+$1480 EV



Lol
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April 23rd, 2015 at 1:26:29 PM permalink
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April 23rd, 2015 at 4:06:05 PM permalink
Damn man! Go to one of the topless pool things and post pictures from there...
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April 23rd, 2015 at 4:16:39 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Damn man! Go to one of the topless pool things and post pictures from there...



Ah yes, they totally encourage picture-taking there!
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April 23rd, 2015 at 4:37:32 PM permalink
Just lost 500 on 3 hands
Guy refused to hit 12 v 2; 15 v 10 and refused to split 8's

If he plays BS , we both win all three hands
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April 23rd, 2015 at 4:46:01 PM permalink
Switched tables lost first 8 hands

Trip is -9k
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:04:17 PM permalink
Just switched tables got 700 back

Trip -8300
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:05:47 PM permalink
Not trying to get nosy. How about backing your bet down? See if you can book a few winning sessions. Then go from there.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:11:15 PM permalink
You're at the Aria now? You said you
might switch today.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:13:54 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Switched tables lost first 8 hands

Trip is -9k



Darn it Ace... You're not listening, you're just posting. Don't concern yourself with how the player to your right plays their hand. The last card, or the next card, or the one after that, all have the same chance of being the card you need. Pretend you're surfing, watch the waves, watch the tides. Ride the good waves in bad tides and you're even. Ride the less bad waves in good tides, probably you're still even. What you are looking for is the good wave while the tide is working with you. That, when you catch it, that's about as good as it gets. If the waves are bad, and the tide is bad, get out of the ocean and go hang out on the beach. There's always going to be good waves tomorrow, or the day after that. And hey, the beach can surprise you too...2F
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:18:33 PM permalink
Lost 500 back
I pushed on 21 five times
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:26:08 PM permalink
Quote: texasplumr

Maybe you need a monkey?



Finally, some constructive advice ! LOL.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:38:33 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Lost 500 back
I pushed on 21 five times



If you're using the Aria BR does that
mean you're there? If B79 is desperately
looking for you, he needs to know
where you are. Wear a red hat so he
can spot you.
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April 23rd, 2015 at 5:43:09 PM permalink
Been offline, AoS, but sending good variance your way starting......NOW.
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