Vegas trip with questions

Hey All,
Just got back from Vegas. All I can say is I must have sat in the same seats ACE did on his trip as I had pretty much the same experience. Stayed at the Paris it was nice as usual and I get good comps there plus I needed two rooms and did not qaulify for two at the Bellagio which is where I usually stay. It was unusually hot for this time of year, 110 on Monday. But it was a dry heat like that makes a difference it was still freakin hot!
Played Black Jack never got into a good shoe and I experienced same as ACE with the dealer getting Black Jack after Black Jack. I know I have read that Arnold Snyder, Stanford Wong and Don Schlesinger have all experienced the same numerous times but it does not make it any easier to stomach.
I also played UTH. I had much the same experience there, if I had a straight dealer had next card bigger straight ect. I did find a dealer who was paying off the wins incorrectly by paying all bets even when their hand did not qualify so I rode that one out. I also experienced the following: If I started out winning at UTH I continued to have a good session. I also did much better with fewer players at the table. I never made the trips bet and kept a side count and found in my sessions I was much farther ahead not making the trips bet and or I was close to even I was never ahead by much had I been making the trips bet.
There was a new bet on the table it was a 6 card side bet. They took 4 cards out of the deck and set them aside and then used these 4 and your two to create another hand. I don't recall the pay table but it started at 3OK and paid $1,000,000 for a Royal in Diamonds. Of course I never made it but plenty of other players did. It has to be a huge cash cow for the casino. I saw very few wins. Here is the question By removing those extra 4 cards from the deck it removes the number of outs for the player. Does it do the same for the dealer or does it give the house more of an edge by not having those cards available to the player? It seems to me it reduces the possibilities of big hands to the player.
I also played Video Poker, nothing special hit 4 aces ect a couple times no Royals no good pay tables on the strip that I found.
I am also now convinced that the RNG chip in Video Keno has been skewed to the houses favor by having a larger pool of numbers combination to choose from. I remember in an interview with Ron Harris that he said it was impossible for a computer to pick random numbers. I believe him to be right and that the new RNG are able to pick considerably more numeric sequences then the older machines. This used to be a profitable game for me but in the last 3 years I have not had a single hand pay. I used to average one or two hand pays per trip. I am now going to be a recovering video keno junkie as I am on the wagon and have sworn the game off. For the record I usually play 7 to 10 numbers. I usually play multi card or 4 card and not have experienced even a solid 5 or 6 in quite awhile.
I have a slot question. If I play slots I always play reel slots. I try to find a 2 coin 5$ machine where the payout for two coins is double for one coin that way I get the full payback percentage of the machine with only one coin bet. I found such a machine. It was a Top Dollar Machine. My question is since the Top dollar Bonus is only available if you bet 2 credits is this machine a true doubler? How much does the Top dollar bonus add to the pay back percentage of the second credit bet. Anyone know?

Thanks

Sorry to hear of te horrific BJ run - I all too familiar with that (makes you wonder if the cut card was just one card over or the burn card didn't happen it would all be different)
I know in the long run it is what it is but, as I have tried to convince the forum, HORRIFIC runs do indeed happen, regardless of mathematical improbability

Amen Brother!

Congrats on finding a UTH dealer who pays antes that should push. That is worth a lot (and not that uncommon).

Removing random cards from a deck doesn't change the probability of anything (as long as there is no chance of running out of cards). So what if the top 4 cards are taken out of play? The bottom 4 cards are out of play too, since the dealer will never use enough cards to deal that deep. This is no different than cutting the deck 4 cards deeper than normal.

The Keno is fair. You are misunderstanding what is meant by "a machine cannot pick truly random numbers". First of all, that statement is false (a machine can have a source of entropy that can yield truly random numbers), although it is true that the machines in Vegas do not have this, so the numbers are not truly random. However, that is just a technicality -- your results will be the same as if the numbers were truly random. I am not sure what you mean when you say that there is a larger pool of combinations of numbers to choose from. All combinations are possible and equally likely.

Quote: MrRalph

I remember in an interview with Ron Harris that he said it was impossible for a computer to pick random numbers. I believe him to be right and that the new RNG .... [no need to read further]

I guess you can tell I am going to pounce on that... but it's not because Ron Harris is wrong. What he said is right, but your conclusion is wrong. The RNG is not going to cheat you. The people running the machine could make it cheat alright, but then it would be because they aren't using an RNG but a manipulated number generator.

The player has the potential to cheat the RNG, but not the opposite. An RNG that is too simple might reveal patterns [although with modern ones, forget it]. Ron Harris in fact cheated due to the vulnerabilities of an RNG - vulnerabilities of a somewhat different nature.

So, I feel compelled to say something when I see something like that, sorry.

And I'm sorry you got clobbered playing.

Quote: MrRalph

There was a new bet on the table it was a 6 card side bet. They took 4 cards out of the deck and set them aside and then used these 4 and your two to create another hand. I don't recall the pay table but it started at 3OK and paid $1,000,000 for a Royal in Diamonds.

That's the infamous CET 6-card bonus bet. It started in 3-card poker, and then it spread like a virus among all other carnival games. There's no known cure, as yet.

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I also played Video Poker, nothing special hit 4 aces ect a couple times no Royals no good pay tables on the strip that I found.

I no loneger even look at VP machines on the Strip. If you want good VP you either go Downtown or to locals casinos. There's a Stations casino relatively clsoe to the Strip on Sahara.

Better luck next trip.

Also, there are good paytables on the strip, if you are willing to pay for dollar denom or higher. 9/6 JoB, 9/7 TDB, and 9/6 DDB are all available. You can also find 9/6 UX DDB which returns over 99.8% at 10-play. I'm sure that they have good deuces wild games as well, but I don't really play those so I'm not sure.

Quote: Nareed

That's the infamous CET 6-card bonus bet. It started in 3-card poker, and then it spread like a virus among all other carnival games. There's no known cure, as yet.



I no loneger even look at VP machines on the Strip. If you want good VP you either go Downtown or to locals casinos. There's a Stations casino relatively clsoe to the Strip on Sahara.

Better luck next trip.

NY NY has a few 99.54% JOB.
They are together well marked near the hotel registration desk.
Only 99.54% machines on the strip.
There is no slot for a players club card so no points, no comps.

I am going back the end of July. Can you give the locations of any of these especially 9/6 UX DDB. I know I did not explain the Keno thing well but there is some difference between the older versions of this game and the newer ones. I had read once that it was like the difference between a 64 bit computer and a 128 bit computer if that makes any sense where instead of having twice as much memory it has twice the number of numeric sequences available. Make any sense?
Thanks,

Ralph

Quote: terapined

NY NY has a few 99.54% JOB.
They are together well marked near the hotel registration desk.
Only 99.54% machines on the strip.
There is no slot for a players club card so no points, no comps.

That is nonsense. How can you say that they are the only ones on the strip? Have you checked every machine at every casino on the strip? Or are you just guessing?

First of all, there are more in NYNY itself, and you get full M-life points and comps (full for video poker -- 1 pt per $10 coin-in).

Second, there are plenty of other machines that pay back 99.54% or more at other M-life casinos on the strip. And they give you full points as well.

Quote: MrRalph

I am going back the end of July. Can you give the locations of any of these especially 9/6 UX DDB.

I will PM you some details (a little later...) Note that my list is not complete -- it only covers the few casinos that I play at. I'm sure that there are others.

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I know I did not explain the Keno thing well but there is some difference between the older versions of this game and the newer ones. I had read once that it was like the difference between a 64 bit computer and a 128 bit computer if that makes any sense where instead of having twice as much memory it has twice the number of numeric sequences available. Make any sense?

The difference in word size is irrelevant. Every combination is equally possible, regardless. I have written encryption software to run on 8-bit microcontrollers, and, while they were a pain in the ass to work with at times, the randomness was perfect.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

That is nonsense. How can you say that they are the only ones on the strip? Have you checked every machine at every casino on the strip? Or are you just guessing?

First of all, there are more in NYNY itself, and you get full M-life points and comps (full for video poker -- 1 pt per $10 coin-in).

Second, there are plenty of other machines that pay back 99.54% or more at other M-life casinos on the strip. And they give you full points as well.

25 cent JOB 99.54 on the strip, only NY NY near hotel registration according to VPFREE
No players card accepted at this machine
I've played them myself.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I will PM you some details (a little later...) Note that my list is not complete -- it only covers the few casinos that I play at. I'm sure that there are others.



The difference in word size is irrelevant. Every combination is equally possible, regardless. I have written encryption software to run on 8-bit microcontrollers, and, while they were a pain in the ass to work with at times, the randomness was perfect.

Thanks

Quote: terapined

25 cent JOB 99.54 on the strip, only NY NY near hotel registration according to VPFREE

There is a big difference between "nothing" and "nothing at 25c".

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

There is a big difference between "nothing" and "nothing at 25c".

You are right, sorry, low roller here, when is comes to video poker, my mind only registers quarter (25cent) machines.

Quote: terapined

You are right, sorry, low roller here, when is comes to video poker, my mind only registers quarter (25cent) machines.

Didn't you post a video of you playing the Lion's share machine? If you're willing to play dollar slots, I think that you should be willing to pay dollar VP with good pay tables (and there are $1 9/6 JoB machines on the strip). But then, that is a personal decision.

Quote: terapined

NY NY has a few 99.54% JOB.
They are together well marked near the hotel registration desk.
Only 99.54% machines on the strip.
There is no slot for a players club card so no points, no comps.

That's nice to know, but, really, nothing much compared to Downtown. there's 100.17% or so DB at the D and 4 Queens, not to mention my favorite 101+% Loose Deuces at the D (alas, at nickels; and BTW the only game where I wish I could make a bigger bet per hand).

At that, as I reported on my trip, the bank of multidenomination, multigame VP by the sports book at the 4Q no longer has 9/6 :( Though the bank of $0.25 9/6 near the table games is still there.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Didn't you post a video of you playing the Lion's share machine? If you're willing to play dollar slots, I think that you should be willing to pay dollar VP with good pay tables (and there are $1 9/6 JoB machines on the strip). But then, that is a personal decision.

You caught me :-)
Yes I did post a video of playing the Lions Share but thats an exception and it was only 21 bucks. Have lost alot more on quarter VP machines.
Like most regular gamblers that would never ever touch a slot machine, a machine with a ridiculous progressive gets played by everyone.
The Lions Share is the only slot machine on the entire planet that I would play with my own money. (also got a video up playing a giant slot machine at NY NY but that was not my money)
Even the Wizard plays the Lions Share.
To clarify, low roller, quarter machines only, unless I see a jackpot over 2 mil.

Quote: terapined

You caught me :-)
Yes I did post a video of playing the Lions Share but thats an exception and it was only 21 bucks. Have lost alot more on quarter VP machines.
Like most regular gamblers that would never ever touch a slot machine, a machine with a ridiculous progressive gets played by everyone.
The Lions Share is the only slot machine on the entire planet that I would play with my own money. (also got a video up playing a giant slot machine at NY NY but that was not my money)
Even the Wizard even plays the Lions Share.
To clarify, low roller, quarter machines only, unless I see a jackpot over 2 mil.

Fair enough, I have lost a lot of money in that Lion's share machine myself, and I also generally stay away from slots where I don't have an edge.

Quote: Nareed

That's the infamous CET 6-card bonus bet. It started in 3-card poker, and then it spread like a virus among all other carnival games. There's no known cure, as yet.

I enjoy a $5 session of 3CP every now and then. I am fully aware it is a bad game, EV-wise. But I enjoy it in the Pleasure Pit at PH.

I DO NOT play the 6 card bonus bet.

This last trip the dealer had three 10s and I had the fourth one in my hand. He took it very personally that I didn't bet the bonus. I guess he wanted a tip.

Quote: ams288

I enjoy a $5 session of 3CP every now and then.

It is a good now and then game. But

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This last trip the dealer had three 10s and I had the fourth one in my hand. He took it very personally that I didn't bet the bonus. I guess he wanted a tip.

I seldom play the pair+ and never the 6-card bonus. I get a lot of heat about it from players. I even had a similar experience witht he dealer completing the 4 of a kind when I, as usual, had not bet 6-card. the dealer was fine, but some players went to great lengths to tell me how much I'd lost. I ahd to explain i'd been out of bankroll had I been playing it all along.

So I no longer play 3CP, which is just as well.

Quote: Nareed

but some players went to great lengths to tell me how much I'd lost. I ahd to explain i'd been out of bankroll had I been playing it all along.

That is always my response as well! If I'd play that stupid bet every time, I'd have been out of money a long time ago...