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chaunceyb3
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February 22nd, 2013 at 1:04:47 PM permalink
I went to Revel to play some smoke-free Pai Gow Tiles. The table opened up at 12PM, near Amada with Kieu as the dealer and Buu the supervisor. $25.00 table minimum, $1,000 max. Bought in for $600, and was betting $150 a hand, and banking every other hand (I played heads-up). There were blackjack players walking by who were curious about PGT.

Some notes: Revel's house way is very weak, which favors the player. H10 7 9 H6 was set as 6-6, not H5-H7, H10 9 L10 H6 was set as H6-L9, and there was another house way involving H10 and L10 that I forgot. Floor told me there were very few exceptions such as 7-9 instead of 8-8, and that Caesars properties have a stronger house way.

Player cannot pre-pay 5% commision, player can bank combined total if playing 2 hands.

As for results, I played for 1 hour, won about $1,000, tipped the dealers $20. The most memorable hand was winning with 5 H6 H7 L8 against H10 11 L10 H2. Another nice push was when I was banking, was dealt 5 7 H10 L2, and pushed against H10 7 Gee Joon.

I would estimate that I played 40 hands, so $6,000 in action, half of that with a player edge of 0.20%. Estimated theoretical loss of $40-$50. Was comped $13.00, for a kickback rate of around 30%. Comps can be immediately converted to free slot play at 1:1, which is nice. I chose to buy a $30 dining passport for 10 comp dollars at the box office.

I also had JB's optimal strategy page loaded on my iPod in case I needed to "step away from the table" to check an exception.

There were always 2 or 3 floor people watching the game closely. As sodawater mentioned, the dealers would occasionally misset a hand and the floor would correct the dealer.

I'm staying here all weekend, so will update this thread. Overall a great, smoke-free experience at Revel.



The initial PGT table "attract mode".
sodawater
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February 22nd, 2013 at 1:49:17 PM permalink
Great report... very consistent with my experience last weekend.

They really dropped the table max to $1000? That seems super low. When I was playing it was $25 min, $1500 max. Compare to Borgata at $20 min, $10,000 max.

Not that the max applies to me, but wondering what they are so afraid of with the max bet so low.

Nice note on the weaker house way. I think they did want to make it even simpler than the Caesar's house way.
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February 22nd, 2013 at 2:00:38 PM permalink
Quote: chaunceyb3

H10 7 9 H6 was set as 6-6, not H5-H7


It is better for the house to set that hand as 6/6, even if the player is banking.

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H10 9 L10 H6 was set as H6-L9


As the dealers and managers become more familiar with the game, they will eventually realize that playing the H10 in the high hand is better with H6-L10-H10-(7|L8|9) and update their house way accordingly.

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Floor told me there were very few exceptions such as 7-9 instead of 8-8, and that Caesars properties have a stronger house way.


Even as a player using optimal strategy, there is only one combination where you favor 8/8 over 7/9 (7-L8-L10-11).

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I also had JB's optimal strategy page loaded on my iPod in case I needed to "step away from the table" to check an exception.


Glad to hear it!
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February 22nd, 2013 at 9:19:30 PM permalink
Evening session starts with 3 straight exceptions from JB's optimal strategy:

11 5 H2 L2
4 6 7 H8 (Player Banker)
L10 L2 L4 H4

and I'm up around $150 right away. Then an older gentleman sits down with roughly $30K worth of chips and I'm thinking, does this guy post on WoV? I never actually ask him, but he told me he came from the dice table. He's betting purples but agrees to bank every other hand with me. He ends up breaking even and leaves. I play heads-up for a half hour more and cash out a $700 winner (bought in for $1,000). I tip the dealer Eduardo $15 and cash out.

I was rated a $125 average bet for 1.5 hours, and comped $16.00, which is comparable to the afternoon session. I'm guessing we played 50 or so hands. The table max I noted this time was $1,500. Many curious people from (I'm guessing) HQ nightclub stopped by to observe.

Overall for the trip I'm +$1,700. aceofspades where are you at? :)
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February 22nd, 2013 at 9:53:51 PM permalink
Quote: chaunceyb3

Evening session starts with 3 straight exceptions from JB's optimal strategy:

11 5 H2 L2
4 6 7 H8 (Player Banker)
L10 L2 L4 H4

and I'm up around $150 right away. Then an older gentleman sits down with roughly $30K worth of chips and I'm thinking, does this guy post on WoV? I never actually ask him, but he told me he came from the dice table. He's betting purples but agrees to bank every other hand with me. He ends up breaking even and leaves. I play heads-up for a half hour more and cash out a $700 winner (bought in for $1,000). I tip the dealer Eduardo $15 and cash out.

I was rated a $125 average bet for 1.5 hours, and comped $16.00, which is comparable to the afternoon session. I'm guessing we played 50 or so hands. The table max I noted this time was $1,500. Many curious people from (I'm guessing) HQ nightclub stopped by to observe.

Overall for the trip I'm +$1,700. aceofspades where are you at? :)




Great wins Chauncey - I am laying withsome friends at their room at Bally's - not sure whether I will venture to Revel but let's try to meet up
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February 22nd, 2013 at 10:15:16 PM permalink
ace- definitely!

Now playing in the poker room on the Mezz level. 5 guys with Ocean level cards at my table (I'm only beach tier). I assume they have a little bit of disposable income. Every hand is multiway, even in raised pots. $1/2 game has a $500 max buy-in, so let the deepstack poker begin!
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February 23rd, 2013 at 4:56:30 AM permalink
I'm glad the novelty of PGTiles is creating more of a market. I can understand the lower table max given the somewhat weak dealer experience level. Borgata can afford the higher table max, I'm sure.

The non smoking seems to be a significant feature for many. Just as in Biloxi, the Palace touts its smoke free atmosphere and seems to have a loyal following. Some of the assumptions such as Gamblers Always Smoke Like Chimneys may be falling by the wayside but for the nonce I hope we can focus on the Tiles and not the Tobacco.
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February 23rd, 2013 at 6:49:52 AM permalink
Quote: chaunceyb3

ace- definitely!

Now playing in the poker room on the Mezz level. 5 guys with Ocean level cards at my table (I'm only beach tier). I assume they have a little bit of disposable income. Every hand is multiway, even in raised pots. $1/2 game has a $500 max buy-in, so let the deepstack poker begin!




Chauncey---Ocean is the beginner level

Ocean - lowest
Beach - middle
Pearl - high roller
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February 23rd, 2013 at 7:53:34 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Chauncey---Ocean is the beginner level

Ocean - lowest
Beach - middle
Pearl - high roller



You know what I mean, ace! The card that's all shiny and holographic!

+$1,665 for the trip (lost $35 playing poker last night)

Another Pai Gow Tiles session coming up. Same clothes, same sneakers, same contact lenses, same watch, same hairstyle. Let's gamble.
aceofspades
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February 23rd, 2013 at 8:01:31 AM permalink
You going to be at Revel all day?

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