Player May Call Tips

Back on the WoO, the wizard gives us a possible tipping advantage play for several table games including Caribbean Stud Poker, and Tri Card Poker.

I've actually never played either of these games so please forgive me if this is naive. When you lay a tip for the dealer and the casino lets you call the tip as long as you raise your own bet. Does this mean you lay the tip for the dealer, and if you want to raise it, you do so as your own bet, or does the dealer keep it all?

Can someone explain this to me either in complete layman's terms, or give me a play scenario?

TheArchitect

Scenario: You place your flat bet on the "Ante" square, and then place a tip next to the flat bet, declaring "this is a tip." Then you get and look at your cards. At that point, you have the choice to fold, raise the flat bet only, or raise the flat bet plus the tip. The Wizard is saying that are basic strategy deviations for maximizing your own bet's value, the dealer's bet's (tip) value, and the value of them both together. His scenario of betting the table minimum on the flat bet and the table max on the tip is outlandish, but demonstrates that you can create an advantage on the tipped portion of the bet if you want to.
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Incidentally, at some places and at some times I have been able to place a tip for the dealer on the play portion _only_. This is a real advantage for the dealers, and can save you a ton of money on tokes!

Quote: teddys

Scenario: You place your flat bet on the "Ante" square, and then place a tip next to the flat bet, declaring "this is a tip." Then you get and look at your cards. At that point, you have the choice to fold, raise the flat bet only, or raise the flat bet plus the tip. The Wizard is saying that are basic strategy deviations for maximizing your own bet's value, the dealer's bet's (tip) value, and the value of them both together. His scenario of betting the table minimum on the flat bet and the table max on the tip is outlandish, but demonstrates that you can create an advantage on the tipped portion of the bet if you want to.
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Incidentally, at some places and at some times I have been able to place a tip for the dealer on the play portion _only_. This is a real advantage for the dealers, and can save you a ton of money on tokes!

But is it really an advantage play? How does an advantage on a tip benefit the player?

It doesn't. It only benefits the dealer. You have to be in collusion with the dealer.

Quote: teddys

It doesn't. It only benefits the dealer. You have to be in collusion with the dealer.

Ah, I thought something seemed odd. Thanks for clearing it up for me. Doesn't the dealer have to put all tokes in the toke box? So he couldn't even cut you in for half now could he?

TheArchitect

Maybe I was over-thinking that on my Three Card Poker page, but you would be wasting the tip to raise on Q64 to KQT. It is a bad raise, but better than the alternative of folding. Since you aren't required to raise the tip, it would be a waste to do so on a bad hand.