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Venthus
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March 12th, 2014 at 10:26:15 AM permalink
This actually came up at one tiny place a few weeks back-- the response was that it is a filler card.

In a flush: J753* is a J-high.
In a straight: 6475* is a 7-high.

However, it also can act to form the highest valued hand, if desired: Royal/Wheel...
which is where the explanation went weird. *KQJT is a nonsensical K-royal, which world lose to a A*QJT-royal.

Yeeeah.
Ibeatyouraces
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March 12th, 2014 at 11:26:27 AM permalink
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Deucekies
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March 12th, 2014 at 3:23:24 PM permalink
The joker fills the highest card left available in the five-card hand.

Ah - Joker - 10h - 4h - 2h assumes the role of an AKT42 flush. It would beat an AQJ74 flush, and lose to an AKJ95 flush. There are never two aces in a flush.

Joker - 4s - 5d - 6c - 7h assumes the role of a 45678 straight, and would beat a 34567 straight.

3s - 4s - Joker - 6s - 7s / 5s - 5h still plays as a straight flush with 5s up.
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FinsRule
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March 12th, 2014 at 3:31:58 PM permalink
Except if you have 2-3-4-5-joker, the joker is not a 6, it's an ace.
Deucekies
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March 17th, 2014 at 1:58:50 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Except if you have 2-3-4-5-joker, the joker is not a 6, it's an ace.



Perhaps "best card available" would be more accurate then.
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Ibeatyouraces
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March 17th, 2014 at 2:06:20 PM permalink
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FourFiveFace
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December 31st, 2014 at 10:42:04 AM permalink
Not really related to the main topic (although I never thought about the joker in that way before), but I'm glad I finally learned that a nothing hand is a lop lop. I just knew it as a pai gow hand. Before, I was thinking that people were either saying "lob" (like a lob pass in basketball...meaning the cards missed the mark or something?) or "lock" (which I presumed to mean a virtual lock for the player to win or at least push).
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October 13th, 2017 at 2:02:28 PM permalink
Sorry to wake up an old thread but there was recently a disputed pai gow poker hand in Washington. The situation was akin to this:

Dealer: Ah, Kh, 8h, 6h, joker ( where h=hearts)
Player: As, Ks, Qs, Js, 2s (where s=spades)

The player argued he won the comparison, because the dealer's joker would substitute for the highest available heart not already used in the dealer's high hand, which would be the queen. So, the player's AKQJ2 would beat the dealer's AKQ86.

However, the casino argued that the joker substituted for another ace of hearts, giving the win to the dealer. I was told every dealer in the casino agreed with that ruling. In other words, the dealer had an AAK86 flush, which beats a AKQJ2 flush.

What is supposed to happen in this situation?
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October 13th, 2017 at 2:20:17 PM permalink
To add to this, I've heard second hand that Bill Zender was told the story of this dispute. He said most casinos would treat the joker as the Q queen of hearts in the above situation. However, he says he has known of some California poker casinos that have counted it as a second ace.

Has anyone else ever heard of such a rule?

Miplet, you're the resident expert on game rules in Washington, what do you say?
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terapined
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October 13th, 2017 at 2:58:37 PM permalink
I am no expert but play a lot of Pai Gow
I always thought the Joker is either an A, a card to complete a straight and assigned whatever value that card makes that straight or just a generic suit with no assigned value to complete a flush
Now I am curious and will ask that question
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Some place low straight is the 2nd highest straight, some places, its just a low straight
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