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clarkacal
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March 5th, 2011 at 10:47:02 PM permalink
Do you believe in any of these dice setting claims or if it's actually even possible in real conditions?
guido111
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March 5th, 2011 at 11:07:37 PM permalink
Quote: clarkacal

Do you believe in any of these dice setting claims or if it's actually even possible in real conditions?


Here is another thread at WoV on the subject.

HERE

I think most who "feel" they are influencing the dice due to any success at it are just fooling themselves by seeing what randomness is all about.

I think a great test would be to have a dozen "DIs" and a dozen monkees all "doing their best tossing the bones".

I say 50% of the chimps out roll the so called dice setters.
Scotty71
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March 6th, 2011 at 1:34:04 AM permalink
Yes, but most who try dont do it well. A soft delivery from next to the stickman is usually necessary. I set dice, toss 'em pretty soft and get decent results. At best I think you can gain a marginal edge in the long run. Most importantly you have to pay attention to what numbers you are repeating and press those.
I have very little faith in people who set from the far end of the table...
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FleaStiff
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March 6th, 2011 at 3:16:24 AM permalink
Quote: guido111

I think most who "feel" they are influencing the dice are just fooling themselves
A great test would be to have a dozen "DIs" and a dozen monkeys.
I say 50% of the chimps out roll the so called dice setters.


You see the correct answer is therefore Yes, A Great Deal of Money can be made in this.
Can't you just see how profitable it would be to stage such an event.
Its a low cost event too. A few bananas and you'll get the monkeys. A few hours spent listening to all that talk about grip and set and axis and ratios will only cost you your sanity, not cash. Dice Influencers will talk forever about control over the dice, but all they really do is sell seminars.

Do you think I can bring the winning chimp into a casino to shoot for me for real? Now that would be an event to have shown on the Travel Channel. Chimp breaks the bank at the Monte Carlo. Or perhaps you can find a chimp named Cosmo?
AZDuffman
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March 6th, 2011 at 6:41:32 AM permalink
Quote: clarkacal

Do you believe in any of these dice setting claims or if it's actually even possible in real conditions?



The thing is people call it "dice control" when it should be called "dice influence." Yes, if you are right next to the stickman and you throw them just so they can land soft and spin on just one axis. Long-term I would not depend on this for food money, but it can influence a few throws. And if you can take the 7 form 1:6 rolls to 1:7 you have an advantage, that is not disputable.
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INkyatari
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March 6th, 2011 at 6:56:45 AM permalink
I believe that it is theoretically possible, and I believe that it can slightly change expectations when done consistently. Consistently is the key word here, though. With so many variables -- bouncy table, wall spikes, etc. that achieving that consistency is a feat in itself.
midwestgb
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March 6th, 2011 at 8:17:34 AM permalink
I have been playing around with setting the dice and the controlled soft throw from next to the Stickman. On rare occasions, I believe it is true that one can have a degree of influence. Enough to alter the probabilities. That said, I am also quite certain the Casino enjoys seeing me at the Table each and every time ... ;-)
soulhunt79
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March 6th, 2011 at 8:47:32 AM permalink
I believe dice setters make me lose less money. They take forever to set the dice and therefore less rolls per hour. :)
gambler
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March 6th, 2011 at 9:00:21 AM permalink
I believe that there are a few people out there who actually have the ability to influence the dice via their dice control. There is an interesting study which states that in order for someone to have mastered a skill, they must spend over 10,000 hours practicing or doing it. So yes, it is possible that anything could be learned.

I also believe that 99.99% of people who practice dice setting are full of it, and do absolutely nothing but waste time at the table. Since I enjoy the pace of a slow table, I couldn't care less if they take a couple of minutes to set the dice and carefully throw them, but they do not influence the dice and more then a chimp would.
MrV
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March 6th, 2011 at 9:16:43 AM permalink
It is complete nonsense, with quasi-religious overtones which are comical.

As always: choose your delusion.
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