Pai Gow Tiles Side Bets - Do any exist?

Do any casinos offer any type of Pai Gow side bets? I was thinking about possible bets that could be offered.

Getting a pair
Getting 2 pairs
Getting a "straight" example: 2,3,4,5
Getting a "flush" all tiles of same colored dots
Dealer and player having Copy
Winning the high hand
Winning the low hand

I would also wonder the odds of these type of hands would be.

I have never seen a pai gow side bet, I doubt any casino would since the market for players is very specific and is 99.9% asian players that are very superstitious and very serious about this traditional classic game

I was originally thinking that the Asian players wouldn't like it but they bet like crazy on the dragon bonus on Baccarat which is the only reason I thought they might not be opposed to a side bet.

No side bets.

Not true.

Crown Casino in Melboure Australia has a bonus side bet that gets paid on specific hands:

Wong - even money
Pair - 2-1
Gee Jun, Teen or Day pair - 5-1
2 pairs - 12-1
Lame Duck (high 6/low 6/any 7/any 4 set as 1-2) - 20-1
Teen and Day pairs - 40-1 I Think
Gee Jun & Day Pair - 60-1 I think
Gee Jun & Teen Pair - 200-1

They also have s Tie bet that gets paid even money if you get a push & 25-1 if you get a push with you low hand being a gong or higher.

Details for the two Pai Gow side bets mentioned above can be found within the guide here:

http://www.crowncasino.com.au/Assets/Files/Crown%20Pai%20Gow.pdf

I've seen that side bet at the gaming show but never knew it made it into a casino. Here is a quick analysis.

Event	Pays	Combinations	Probability	Return
Gee-Jun and Teen pair	200	1	0.000028	0.005562
Gee-Jun and Day pair	60	1	0.000028	0.001669
Heaven pair and Earth pair	30	1	0.000028	0.000834
Lame Duck	20	64	0.001780	0.035595
Two Pair	12	117	0.003254	0.039043
Gee-Jun, Teen or Day pair	5	1260	0.035039	0.175195
One Pair	2	5460	0.151835	0.303671
Wong	1	2704	0.075195	0.075195
Loser	-1	26352	0.732814	-0.732814
Total		35960	1.000000	-0.096051

By the way, a "lame duck" is a 2-1 hand, which must be composed of a high 6, low 6, any 7, and any 4.

Only the highest win pays.

Anyone disagree?

I probably should read the website, but I am curious if it is like pai gow poker where if it is in your hand you get the bonus, or if you have to play the wong etc... to get it. I have played many times where splitting the wong was the better move, I am a bit of a sucker in the sense that I always play my highest hand no matter what the low is, for example I would rather play a 9/0 than a 5/4 (I am not sure if these are correct examples, but it is to give the general idea)

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I've seen that side bet at the gaming show but never knew it made it into a casino. Here is a quick analysis.

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Anyone disagree?

I agree with your figures exactly.

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

I probably should read the website, but I am curious if it is like pai gow poker where if it is in your hand you get the bonus, or if you have to play the wong etc... to get it. I have played many times where splitting the wong was the better move, I am a bit of a sucker in the sense that I always play my highest hand no matter what the low is, for example I would rather play a 9/0 than a 5/4 (I am not sure if these are correct examples, but it is to give the general idea)

The side bet pays regardless of how you set the hand for the main bet. If you have 2-5-9-10 and set the hand as 7/9 instead of 5/Wong, the side bet will still pay you even money for the Wong.

It may pay regardless of how you set it elsewhere but at Crown you must set it the way the table says for Lame Duck and higher. Ie you must set lame duck as 1-2 not 0-3. They're all the bet way to set them anyway so really it shouldn't be an issue.



Would the be any chance of someone developing a strategy for the Tie bet? And any idea what the house edge is in that bet?

saw this side bet today does anyone have a link to the odds or some quick math

300-1 on jee goon and teen pairs together

8-1 on jee goon

4-1 on any mixed pair

3-1 on matching pairs

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saw this side bet today does anyone have a link to the odds or some quick math

300-1 on jee goon and teen pairs together

8-1 on jee goon

4-1 on any mixed pair

3-1 on matching pairs
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If that is indeed the paytable, the house edge would be 13.5707%, but I suspect the poster left something out...



Anyways check out this new pai gow side bet I found from Singapore called Pai Gow Bonus

Gee Jun and Teen Pair 100 to 1
Gee Jun and Day Pair 80 to 1
Teen Pair and Day Pair 50 to 1
Lame Duck (High 6, Low 6, any 7 and any 4) 20 to 1
Two Pairs 12 to 1
Gee Jun, Teen Pair or Day Pair 5 to 1
One Pair 2 to 1
Wong (Teen or Day) 1 to 1

I calculate the house edge to be 9.7720%

The same game in Singapore has the following bonus:

Tie with low hand having at least a Gong 25 to 1
Tie 1 to 1
*Less 5% commission on a winning Tie bet

Not sure how to calculate this one, wouldn't it depend on basic strategy and house way?