Professional Roulette players?
September 10th, 2025 at 10:59:03 AM
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do they exist or is it a myth? Can you make a living just based on exploiting varience? I saw a thread that this bob guy made about some sort of legendary roulette player, was too long to read tho.
I can say this much, everytime I play roulette… I come up quit a bit, then even, then down, then even… then down etc
is the real play to just take that $300-$400 gain and leave?
withdraw and repeat?
I can say this much, everytime I play roulette… I come up quit a bit, then even, then down, then even… then down etc
is the real play to just take that $300-$400 gain and leave?
withdraw and repeat?
September 10th, 2025 at 3:34:28 PM
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TrueQuote: teddansonQuote: cheddachaserdo they exist or is it a myth? Can you make a living just based on exploiting varience? I saw a thread that this bob guy made about some sort of legendary roulette player, was too long to read tho.
The bob person is a mentally ill compulsive gambler that this site encourages for some reason.
There are NO winning systems for roulette except those based on physical prediction and wheel bias.
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September 10th, 2025 at 4:03:50 PM
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right not a truly profitable system im aware of that but couldnt you devise a way to profit off of variance ..?
like it is extremely rare i ever have a session that just dies out immediately.
like it is extremely rare i ever have a session that just dies out immediately.
September 10th, 2025 at 6:45:58 PM
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Quote: cheddachaserright not a truly profitable system im aware of that but couldnt you devise a way to profit off of variance ..?
like it is extremely rare i ever have a session that just dies out immediately.
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No. You are always more likely to lose than win.
Best of luck.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 10th, 2025 at 8:06:42 PM
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I personally haven't heard of any Professional Roulette Gamblers. Mainly because Roulette is basically just a glorified slot game. You just choose what number, what color, what section, what side corner, even, odd, or 0 you think the ball will land on. It's a fun game, and I myself won a sudden Jackpot Progressive about $1,900 playing Roulette(My local Casino has Roulette machines where a player is chosen at random to play for a Jackpot Progressive, 😀) 😀 but isn't like Poker which is a VERY hard game to Master and takes a lot of skilled work to play. 💡
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September 10th, 2025 at 8:45:53 PM
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Quote: cheddachaserdo they exist or is it a myth? Can you make a living just based on exploiting varience? I saw a thread that this bob guy made about some sort of legendary roulette player, was too long to read tho.
I can say this much, everytime I play roulette… I come up quit a bit, then even, then down, then even… then down etc
is the real play to just take that $300-$400 gain and leave?
withdraw and repeat?
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That's still a losing strategy. All your bets are -EV. Add up a bunch of negative numbers and you get a negative number.
Either find a +EV game, or find offers and promos whose value exceeds your expected losses. Or just play for fun and lose money (which is fine as long as you aren't actually expecting to win)
Quote:right not a truly profitable system im aware of that but couldnt you devise a way to profit off of variance ..?
No of course not.
September 11th, 2025 at 3:06:33 AM
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You're probably thinking that there is a pattern you could identify in the variance, allowing you to see what is coming next. The reason any such patterns in a random result wheel that seem to appear are just noise is because the ball and the wheel have no consciousness or will. The system doesn't "know" what the past was and can't act on it, and with no will doesn't want to either. People who believe otherwise don't seem to realize that they are imputing this consciousness on that system.
It is true that this system can be imperfect and not produce random results. The wheel can be worn and tend to produce certain numbers, and there are people, sometimes using sophisticated equipment, who looked for these defective wheels, claiming to make millions. I use the past tense because I have to imagine today that the defective wheel problem is too well known now and steps are taken to make sure this wheel tracking can't be done today. But perhaps you could find some place where they are still sloppy.
It is true that this system can be imperfect and not produce random results. The wheel can be worn and tend to produce certain numbers, and there are people, sometimes using sophisticated equipment, who looked for these defective wheels, claiming to make millions. I use the past tense because I have to imagine today that the defective wheel problem is too well known now and steps are taken to make sure this wheel tracking can't be done today. But perhaps you could find some place where they are still sloppy.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 11th, 2025 at 3:56:53 AM
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Yes. Grab cheques off the crack and run for the door.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 11th, 2025 at 12:49:37 PM
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Quote: cheddachaserdo they exist or is it a myth? Can you make a living just based on exploiting varience? I saw a thread that this bob guy made about some sort of legendary roulette player, was too long to read tho.
I can say this much, everytime I play roulette… I come up quit a bit, then even, then down, then even… then down etc
is the real play to just take that $300-$400 gain and leave?
withdraw and repeat?
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It's mostly a myth. Not all urban legends are totally untrue though. There are notable exceptions. We won't go into that here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 11th, 2025 at 4:48:12 PM
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don't tell evenbob that lolQuote: NathanI personally haven't heard of any Professional Roulette Gamblers. Mainly because Roulette is basically just a glorified slot game. You just choose what number, what color, what section, what side corner, even, odd, or 0 you think the ball will land on. It's a fun game, and I myself won a sudden Jackpot Progressive about $1,900 playing Roulette(My local Casino has Roulette machines where a player is chosen at random to play for a Jackpot Progressive, 😀) 😀 but isn't like Poker which is a VERY hard game to Master and takes a lot of skilled work to play. 💡
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September 11th, 2025 at 8:39:24 PM
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Yes, professional roulette players exist.
I am one. I don't rely on variance/luck. I rely on having a sizeable edge.
I am one. I don't rely on variance/luck. I rely on having a sizeable edge.
September 12th, 2025 at 12:12:02 AM
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Good evening Keyser, can you please elaborate on your sizable edge if possible?
September 12th, 2025 at 7:17:13 PM
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Quote: harrisGood evening Keyser, can you please elaborate on your sizable edge if possible?
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Really? You think he will tell you his secret?
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
September 12th, 2025 at 7:56:41 PM
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Quote: harrisGood evening Keyser, can you please elaborate on your sizable edge if possible?
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You just made a funny and you don't even know it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 12th, 2025 at 8:07:27 PM
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Why would he tell me his secret roulette strategy?
I'm not sure but you miss all the shots you don't take.
To clarify, I was intentionally being funny:)
However if there are examples of roulette advantage play in the 21st century I would be really interested in hearing about it. If I had to guess, maybe there are still some wheels with defects outside North America / Europe.
I'm not sure but you miss all the shots you don't take.
To clarify, I was intentionally being funny:)
However if there are examples of roulette advantage play in the 21st century I would be really interested in hearing about it. If I had to guess, maybe there are still some wheels with defects outside North America / Europe.
September 12th, 2025 at 8:59:43 PM
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I am a professional roulette player. I exploit bias and also play visual ballistics.
And yes wheel bias is still around. On live games the main problems relate to poor wheel assembly, and storage. And electro mechanical issue on E tables.
The edge…large.
And yes wheel bias is still around. On live games the main problems relate to poor wheel assembly, and storage. And electro mechanical issue on E tables.
The edge…large.
September 12th, 2025 at 10:57:04 PM
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Quote: harrisWhy would he tell me his secret roulette strategy?
I'm not sure but you miss all the shots you don't take.
To clarify, I was intentionally being funny:)
However if there are examples of roulette advantage play in the 21st century I would be really interested in hearing about it. If I had to guess, maybe there are still some wheels with defects outside North America / Europe.
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I remember some people using lasers to scan the wheel after it had started spinning and clock the speeds of the wheel and the ball, and predict the area of the wheel that the ball would land on. You can do all this with a phone. They won a lot.
This would be cheating in Nevada and most of the US due to "device" laws, but not all jurisdictions have/had those. I guess if devices are legal in your jurisdiction, it's AP and not cheating. This happened somewhere in Europe, and it was a while ago.
You can probably find news stories about it if you search.
September 13th, 2025 at 12:05:29 AM
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Quote: SkinnyTonyQuote: harrisWhy would he tell me his secret roulette strategy?
I'm not sure but you miss all the shots you don't take.
To clarify, I was intentionally being funny:)
However if there are examples of roulette advantage play in the 21st century I would be really interested in hearing about it. If I had to guess, maybe there are still some wheels with defects outside North America / Europe.
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I remember some people using lasers to scan the wheel after it had started spinning and clock the speeds of the wheel and the ball, and predict the area of the wheel that the ball would land on. You can do all this with a phone. They won a lot.
This would be cheating in Nevada and most of the US due to "device" laws, but not all jurisdictions have/had those. I guess if devices are legal in your jurisdiction, it's AP and not cheating. This happened somewhere in Europe, and it was a while ago.
You can probably find news stories about it if you search.
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One of my local Casinos puts a warning on Roulette machines saying something like, "Tampering with Roulette machines is illegal and will result in permanent bannings and arrests." 💡 But I don't get how they won money since they used the laser on the Roulette machine AFTER it already spun. When it is already spinning that means no bets can be made. 🤔
I saw a video where a guy was using a stopping device for Roulette and was saying something like,"I want 14 red," and the device made the ball land on 14 red. He then said something like, "I want 28 black," and the device made the ball land on 28 black. Posters were amazed but said something like,"The stopping device for Roulette would give you a permanent banning and an arrest if you get caught." 💡 The guy in the video was making the ball stop on the numbers he chose before it started spinning, not after. 💡
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September 13th, 2025 at 3:14:27 AM
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One of my local Casinos puts a warning on Roulette machines saying something like, "Tampering with Roulette machines is illegal and will result in permanent bannings and arrests." 💡 But I don't get how they won money since they used the laser on the Roulette machine AFTER it already spun. When it is already spinning that means no bets can be made. 🤔
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One of the traditions in roulette is that bets may be placed for a short time after the ball is launched. The dealer launches the ball into the wheel, the ball orbits a few times, the dealer announces "No More Bets" (or "rien ne va plus" - nothing goes anymore), then the ball lands and bets are settled.
The laser, as I understand it, is a form of timer that aids in making predictions of where the ball will land, based on the speed it is rolling around the track, allowing very accurate bets to be placed before betting is closed.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 13th, 2025 at 3:34:35 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: Nathan
One of my local Casinos puts a warning on Roulette machines saying something like, "Tampering with Roulette machines is illegal and will result in permanent bannings and arrests." 💡 But I don't get how they won money since they used the laser on the Roulette machine AFTER it already spun. When it is already spinning that means no bets can be made. 🤔
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One of the traditions in roulette is that bets may be placed for a short time after the ball is launched. The dealer launches the ball into the wheel, the ball orbits a few times, the dealer announces "No More Bets" (or "rien ne va plus" - nothing goes anymore), then the ball lands and bets are settled.
The laser, as I understand it, is a form of timer that aids in making predictions of where the ball will land, based on the speed it is rolling around the track, allowing very accurate bets to be placed before betting is closed.
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Okay, makes sense.💡😀🤔 In my local Casinos , the Roulette machines are all electronic, so once the ball is spinning, there are no more bets for that game. 💡
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September 13th, 2025 at 6:34:47 PM
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There’s no need for lasers or cheating devices.
September 13th, 2025 at 6:54:20 PM
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Hi Keyser, can you explain your AP method in roulette which does not involve lasers or cheating devices gains an edge in an era where you can test roulette wheels for accuracy? I find it hard to believe that these opportunities overcome the high house edge but good for you if you're making this work as a real career.
Thank you!
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Thank you!
Sincerely,
Everyone
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September 13th, 2025 at 7:20:54 PM
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I did.
I said visual ballistic and biased wheel play.
I defect spot biased wheels, and I also play visual ballistics on both live wheels and machines.
I said visual ballistic and biased wheel play.
I defect spot biased wheels, and I also play visual ballistics on both live wheels and machines.
September 13th, 2025 at 7:32:07 PM
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Do you think that Bubble Craps can be biased enough to gain a house edge too?
September 13th, 2025 at 7:42:59 PM
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September 13th, 2025 at 7:44:49 PM
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That's funny...A long time ago back at the MGM we tracked the individual cubes on the machine for a while. Didn't find much. Nothing came close to 5sds. However we did find a consistent weakness in the live table dice that were coming out of Kearney Mo. Nothing worth crossing the street for though. They were off weight, but it didn't cause a strong enough effect because the corners of the dice had a much larger influence on the outcome than the weight. That is something that could theoretically be exploited on the Interblock games with the plastic tops. I don't know if they're using the Midwest gaming dice though.
We also tried exploiting the PUSHING of the button to create a desired outcome on the E machine. However, it was far too random... except for in a few locations that we saw while going after the wheels. One location was down in West Memphis. The floor shooting the dice into the air was barely shooting the dice up in the air. The IB tech came in about a week later and was explaining to the local staff, as if they were idiots... that it was a problem. I have also come across other locations where the shakers weren't vibrating nearly enough to randomize the dice.
The wheels have always provided a better edge for me.
We also tried exploiting the PUSHING of the button to create a desired outcome on the E machine. However, it was far too random... except for in a few locations that we saw while going after the wheels. One location was down in West Memphis. The floor shooting the dice into the air was barely shooting the dice up in the air. The IB tech came in about a week later and was explaining to the local staff, as if they were idiots... that it was a problem. I have also come across other locations where the shakers weren't vibrating nearly enough to randomize the dice.
The wheels have always provided a better edge for me.
September 13th, 2025 at 7:58:58 PM
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Quote: KeyserI did.
I said visual ballistic and biased wheel play.
I defect spot biased wheels, and I also play visual ballistics on both live wheels and machines.
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You make money the hard way at roulette. There are far easier ways..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 13th, 2025 at 8:28:40 PM
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Bob,
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
September 14th, 2025 at 7:49:14 AM
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Quote: KeyserBob,
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
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I’m quite interested in your story! Do you have a team? Or go solo? Do you play rated or try and keep as under the radar as possible? Make believe you wanted to teach me your techniques. Could I learn ‘easily’ how to win, or does it take a lot of practice?
September 14th, 2025 at 12:00:51 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: KeyserBob,
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
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I’m quite interested in your story! Do you have a team? Or go solo? Do you play rated or try and keep as under the radar as possible? Make believe you wanted to teach me your techniques. Could I learn ‘easily’ how to win, or does it take a lot of practice?
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Hilarious! You have no idea how funny this is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 14th, 2025 at 3:24:07 PM
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Worst thing that can happen to a roulette player who thinks they have a “system” and wins big couple of sessions. And then the 3rd, 4th, 5th trip, you give it all back and more. And then taking loans they can’t pay back. This unfortunately happened to somebody I know despite multiple warnings that roulette cannot be beat in the long run.
September 14th, 2025 at 5:39:34 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: KeyserBob,
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
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I’m quite interested in your story! Do you have a team? Or go solo? Do you play rated or try and keep as under the radar as possible? Make believe you wanted to teach me your techniques. Could I learn ‘easily’ how to win, or does it take a lot of practice?
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For large bias, yes I play with a team. For VB, just one other person.
Yes, I try and play under the radar since I'm banned from most of the LV casinos, although according to Bob Nersesian that's changed now.
For the large bias wheel plays, we usually hire friends or someone to play for us. This way we can keep a fresh face , negotiate better terms and higher limits. On smaller plays we just milk them over time. For the longest time, LV was a gold mine, until the triple zeros started taking over. Yes, the LV strip!
Visual ballistics is a skill that some people can learn. It helps if you've ever played the drums or piano. Having the ability to count and work at 120 beats per minute comes in handy for timing rotors/ball etc. Yes, it requires a great deal of practice and quick mental recall. You also must have access to a large number of different wheels. Not every wheel can be exploited.
-Keyser
September 14th, 2025 at 5:54:20 PM
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Quote: KeyserQuote: SOOPOOQuote: KeyserBob,
When it comes to roulette, I even fart money when I'm at the table.
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I’m quite interested in your story! Do you have a team? Or go solo? Do you play rated or try and keep as under the radar as possible? Make believe you wanted to teach me your techniques. Could I learn ‘easily’ how to win, or does it take a lot of practice?
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For large bias, yes I play with a team. For VB, just one other person.
Yes, I try and play under the radar since I'm banned from most of the LV casinos, although according to Bob Nersesian that's changed now.
For the large bias wheel plays, we usually hire friends or someone to play for us. This way we can keep a fresh face , negotiate better terms and higher limits. On smaller plays we just milk them over time. For the longest time, LV was a gold mine, until the triple zeros started taking over. Yes, the LV strip!
Visual ballistics is a skill that some people can learn. It helps if you've ever played the drums or piano. Having the ability to count and work at 120 beats per minute comes in handy for timing rotors/ball etc. Yes, it requires a great deal of practice and quick mental recall. You also must have access to a large number of different wheels. Not every wheel can be exploited.
-Keyser
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Good stuff! Wheel clocking is one AP skill I haven't practiced. Maybe someday.
Only 120 BPM? I'll try to slow down a bit!
September 17th, 2025 at 1:57:29 AM
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I never realized 120 BPM timing could be so useful for VB—might have to give that a try someday!
