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December 24th, 2024 at 6:01:14 AM permalink
Page 316, MACK Card Counting Strategy for Caribbean Stud Poker.

I have a hard time understanding this strategy table, for example, 3 matches of upcard Q , [A] = 1, [K] = 2, and dealer upcard is Q, what is the strategy ?

1) When [A] + [K] = 3 vs dealer's upcard Q, the proposed strategy is Raise ALL

2) When [A] + [K] < 4 vs dealer's upcard Q, the proposed strategy is Raise when stronger than AKQXX

So which one is correct ?
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December 24th, 2024 at 7:36:23 AM permalink
I don't believe I've ever seen a discussion of anything from this book on a public forum.
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December 24th, 2024 at 7:50:46 AM permalink
But his hole carding strategy card for Ultimate Texas Hold’em poker has been discussed here. Again, a picture is worth 1000 words. If you could post an image, I’m pretty sure people here will figure things out.
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December 24th, 2024 at 7:57:46 AM permalink
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But his hole carding strategy card for Ultimate Texas Hold’em poker has been discussed here. Again, a picture is worth 1000 words. If you could post an image, I’m pretty sure people here will figure things out.
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I don't recall that, but I've never played UTH
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December 24th, 2024 at 8:12:31 AM permalink
You seem to encourage copy rights for authors, but I discourage them.
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December 24th, 2024 at 8:18:10 AM permalink
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You seem to encourage copy rights for authors, but I discourage them.
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I'm not sure where that comes from. I've never seen the contents of that book discussed.
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December 24th, 2024 at 8:20:23 AM permalink
OP is a friend of mine. I just speak for him.
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December 24th, 2024 at 1:42:39 PM permalink
Quote: aceside

But his hole carding strategy card for Ultimate Texas Hold’em poker has been discussed here. Again, a picture is worth 1000 words. If you could post an image, I’m pretty sure people here will figure things out.
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I am not posting the image of strategy table for copyright reasons. I am just hoping someone who has the book can explain to me how to read this table correctly.
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December 24th, 2024 at 6:59:07 PM permalink
If gambler has AK and one match with the dealer's card, then Raise is always the optimal solution.

For example:
AKQ83 vs Q ___ Raise -0.91 Fold -1.0
AKJ83 vs Q ____Raise -1.17 Fold -1.0
AK863 vs 3 ____Raise -0.93 Fold -1.0
AK542 vs 2 ____Raise -0.97 Fold -1.0
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December 25th, 2024 at 1:09:34 PM permalink
There has been several discussions of the book on this very forum. The issue is that to use the strategies you basically are in it professionally (to make a living by consistent and regular play) and so there are better places to discuss that.
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December 25th, 2024 at 2:45:20 PM permalink
Quote: calwatch

There has been several discussions of the book on this very forum. The issue is that to use the strategies you basically are in it professionally (to make a living by consistent and regular play) and so there are better places to discuss that.
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If there is a forum where this book is the major discussion point I would love to know what it is. It was a groundbreaking book in its day.
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December 25th, 2024 at 4:08:05 PM permalink
The discussion of a single strategy rule for a single specific class of hands for Carribean Stud Poker (a game that can barely be found in the US) is, in my opinion, not a big deal, even if it concerns a comment made in Grosjean's Exhibit CAA book. There have indeed been some minor discussions of certain points in Exhibit CAA in past posts/threads on WOV forum, so this is not establishing a new precedent.
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December 25th, 2024 at 9:35:18 PM permalink
Im selling my original Beyond Counting for a good price if anyone is interested: $500

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December 25th, 2024 at 10:01:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Im selling my original Beyond Counting for a good price if anyone is interested: $500

Casino Game Protection by Steve Forte: make a legit offer

The Art of Gambling Through the Ages
Anthony Curtis

1999 Griffen Book. Includes lots of stories, and explanations of how teams and individuals were taking advantage of casinos, cheating devices, and explanations. Includes high-profile personal information about everyone you can imagine, including people like Tommy Highland. Names, dates plays Etc

Make an offer on any or all.
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The Griffin book is how I learned of my first advantage play other than counting .I saw a copy in 1998 or 1999.
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December 26th, 2024 at 2:57:47 AM permalink
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It was a groundbreaking book in its day.
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Apparently the author managed to encrypt an elementary strategy more complex than the writing of the ancient Mayan peoples.
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December 26th, 2024 at 11:25:43 AM permalink
For starters, this question was answered in Norm's Blackjack The Forum. Although I am not currently a paid member, I feel more discussion goes on there which may be valuable, although any seriously valuable info is not likely going to be posted for more than a handful of people to read.
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December 26th, 2024 at 12:04:24 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: AxelWolf

Im selling my original Beyond Counting for a good price if anyone is interested: $500

Casino Game Protection by Steve Forte: make a legit offer

The Art of Gambling Through the Ages
Anthony Curtis

1999 Griffen Book. Includes lots of stories, and explanations of how teams and individuals were taking advantage of casinos, cheating devices, and explanations. Includes high-profile personal information about everyone you can imagine, including people like Tommy Highland. Names, dates plays Etc

Make an offer on any or all.
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The Griffin book is how I learned of my first advantage play other than counting .I saw a copy in 1998 or 1999.
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Interesting. Can you elaborate a bit? I would love to know where you got your hands on a Griffin book, or perhaps you worked someplace that had one already.

It was not easy getting my hands on one, it was a matter of knowing someone...who knew someone... who knew someone who worked at the right place, and I paid a significant amount at the time.

My only real interest at the time was knowing what they knew about me. I didn't realize just how much information and details were in there related to Advantage Play.

There was a case that stuck out after reading it. They stated something along the lines of. Mr. X had the perfect crime involving some kind of fake money transfers to the casino that would have gone unnoticed had it not been for one thing...

He told his GF, he pissed her off, and she NARC'ed him out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 26th, 2024 at 12:15:59 PM permalink
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December 26th, 2024 at 4:11:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: AxelWolf

Im selling my original Beyond Counting for a good price if anyone is interested: $500

Casino Game Protection by Steve Forte: make a legit offer

The Art of Gambling Through the Ages
Anthony Curtis

1999 Griffen Book. Includes lots of stories, and explanations of how teams and individuals were taking advantage of casinos, cheating devices, and explanations. Includes high-profile personal information about everyone you can imagine, including people like Tommy Highland. Names, dates plays Etc

Make an offer on any or all.
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The Griffin book is how I learned of my first advantage play other than counting .I saw a copy in 1998 or 1999.
link to original post

Interesting. Can you elaborate a bit? I would love to know where you got your hands on a Griffin book, or perhaps you worked someplace that had one already.

It was not easy getting my hands on one, it was a matter of knowing someone...who knew someone... who knew someone who worked at the right place, and I paid a significant amount at the time.

My only real interest at the time was knowing what they knew about me. I didn't realize just how much information and details were in there related to Advantage Play.

There was a case that stuck out after reading it. They stated something along the lines of. Mr. X had the perfect crime involving some kind of fake money transfers to the casino that would have gone unnoticed had it not been for one thing...

He told his GF, he pissed her off, and she NARC'ed him out.
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Yes I worked somewhere so I was able to get access to it.
At the time casinos were installing large automatic peekers to check for bj . I will leave the rest of it unsaid.
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December 27th, 2024 at 11:22:51 AM permalink
Quote: calwatch

There has been several discussions of the book on this very forum. The issue is that to use the strategies you basically are in it professionally (to make a living by consistent and regular play) and so there are better places to discuss that.
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Information that any one can discover can't be legally copyrighted. That includes all gambling strategies unless the same presentation/aesthetics are used.

It would take you at most a few hours to figure out the type of problem the OP mentions with modern AI software, which will do 90% of the work for you. Gambling games are among the simplest things to program. You don't need to buy any books to work it out.
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