Another casino refuses to pay a jackpot
I think she has a strong case.
She won a jackpot at a table game
Totally legit win
High fives from fellow players
Dealer Congratulated her
Of course they ask for players card and ID
They see they kicked her out several years ago
Casino claims trespassing and refuses to pay her
WTF
It's OK to take trespassers money but not ok to pay???
www.reviewjournal.com/business/business-columns/inside-gaming/trespassers-winning-big-nevada-regulators-tackle-growing-problem-2930338/
It helps there is Vegas precedent just recently that is also in her favor.
Ultimately it's simply that no business in any sector gets away with this.
Imagine if you had been trespassed from a furniture store, paid for a sofa set and then they discovered the trespassing and said they were keeping the money as a result.
The casinos keep confusing their rights as private enterprises with the rights to steal and cheat.
"As for the casino's alleged trespassing claim, Ezell said she has never been notified in any way — not by email, phone call, letter or text message — that she was prohibited from gambling at MGM Grand Detroit.
She also said she recalls asking the security guard who escorted her to the door that evening in 2015: "I asked, 'How long does this last?' He said, 'Maybe 24 or 48 hours.' So I just left. I was pissed."
she tried to resolve the issue out of court by first going to the state gaming board for help, but that the board said it couldn't force the casino to do anything; that the gaming board was only an advisory committee.
WTF
Gaming board is just an advisory committee in Michigan ???????????
Quote:According to the lawsuit, after Ezell won the jackpot in 2023, the casino gave her a number to its security department while escorting her out.
Over the next several days, she called that number and spoke to a security employee who she said told her: “Don’t worry about them saying you were trespassing, we are going to get you your jackpot.”
Quote: AitchTheLetterAn employee may have torpedoed ANY case the casino had.
Quote:According to the lawsuit, after Ezell won the jackpot in 2023, the casino gave her a number to its security department while escorting her out.
Over the next several days, she called that number and spoke to a security employee who she said told her: “Don’t worry about them saying you were trespassing, we are going to get you your jackpot.”
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I believe that
I think every casino employee involved in this situation thought she deserved the jackpot she won legitimately
No doubt some high up bean counter decided not to pay because of the amount of beans involved
FYI that's basically how it is in every jurisdiction I have ever played in. They can't force casinos to pay you. Normally casinos do take the advice of gaming.Quote: terapinedAnother excerpt
she tried to resolve the issue out of court by first going to the state gaming board for help, but that the board said it couldn't force the casino to do anything; that the gaming board was only an advisory committee.
WTF
Gaming board is just an advisory committee in Michigan ???????????
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Quote: AxelWolfFYI that's basically how it is in every jurisdiction I have ever played in. They can't force casinos to pay you. Normally casinos do take the advice of gaming.Quote: terapinedAnother excerpt
she tried to resolve the issue out of court by first going to the state gaming board for help, but that the board said it couldn't force the casino to do anything; that the gaming board was only an advisory committee.
WTF
Gaming board is just an advisory committee in Michigan ???????????
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Yeah I believe NJ is the only place the gambling commission can force a casino. It's partly why the Uston decision ruled they couldn't force out card counters. NJ regulations pretty much make the casinos state controlled.
Other jurisdictions the state just licenses and allows the properties private property reign.
The good news is if the gambling commission has actually stated they have no jurisdiction to force payment, that frees up the ability to seek the lawsuit. Otherwise the first move of the casino would be to claim lack of jurisdiction with the courts and send it back to the commission.
So what he reported contemporaneously will be a strong factor. If he wrote what she says she told him in the report...
Quote: terapinedQuote: AitchTheLetterAn employee may have torpedoed ANY case the casino had.
Quote:According to the lawsuit, after Ezell won the jackpot in 2023, the casino gave her a number to its security department while escorting her out.
Over the next several days, she called that number and spoke to a security employee who she said told her: “Don’t worry about them saying you were trespassing, we are going to get you your jackpot.”
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I believe that
I think every casino employee involved in this situation thought she deserved the jackpot she won legitimately
No doubt some high up bean counter decided not to pay because of the amount of beans involved
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I think her account got some kind of flag from Security/Surveillance and a casino/table games manager saw it and decided to be a hardass. The content of the Security report for the 2015 incident would be interesting to see. If she DID get a letter from the casino then they should have some documentation of that.
She 100% deserves the funds though.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13In Arizona, any pending jackpot money, money in a machine or in a betting circle is forfeited by the banned player and all money gets donated to the Tribes chosen charity. In table games, we wait to approach until after the hand is done so there's no money in the betting circle.
ZCore13
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The thing is, she was told that the ban only lasted 48 hours at the most when it happened. That was NINE years ago. I myself got a 24 hour ban in January for asking complete Strangers to play on my Player's Club Card because I wanted more Bingo cards than my sole free Bingo card. If I win a Jackpot and the Casino is like, Sorry, you got banned in January , we're not paying you this Jackpot, I'd be livid, because it was a 24 hour ban. 😡🤬 This Woman's ban was for two days at the most 9 years ago and they need to pay her her Jackpot.
Quote: Zcore13In Arizona, any pending jackpot money, money in a machine or in a betting circle is forfeited by the banned player and all money gets donated to the Tribes chosen charity. In table games, we wait to approach until after the hand is done so there's no money in the betting circle.
ZCore13
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Gives a new meaning to the term "Indian Giver".
At any rate what you basically are saying is be prepared to be robbed by Indians. (This is not a political statement. It's a statement about tribal lands being able to get away with criminal activities)
Quote: darkozQuote: Zcore13In Arizona, any pending jackpot money, money in a machine or in a betting circle is forfeited by the banned player and all money gets donated to the Tribes chosen charity. In table games, we wait to approach until after the hand is done so there's no money in the betting circle.
ZCore13
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Gives a new meaning to the term "Indian Giver".
At any rate what you basically are saying is be prepared to be robbed by Indians.
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What I'm saying is, when you are told to never come back to a business (or my house for that matter), prepare for bad things to happen if you do.
ZCore13
argument they knew of her presence did nothing and effectively rescinded the trespass.
Quote: Zcore13In Arizona, any pending jackpot money, money in a machine or in a betting circle is forfeited by the banned player and all money gets donated to the Tribes chosen charity. In table games, we wait to approach until after the hand is done so there's no money in the betting circle.
ZCore13
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I've heard this about self-exclusion, but can you confirm this also applies to involuntary exclusion?
Quote: Zcore13Quote: darkozQuote: Zcore13In Arizona, any pending jackpot money, money in a machine or in a betting circle is forfeited by the banned player and all money gets donated to the Tribes chosen charity. In table games, we wait to approach until after the hand is done so there's no money in the betting circle.
ZCore13
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Gives a new meaning to the term "Indian Giver".
At any rate what you basically are saying is be prepared to be robbed by Indians.
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What I'm saying is, when you are told to never come back to a business (or my house for that matter), prepare for bad things to happen if you do.
ZCore13
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And what you are saying is you do criminal things.
Yes criminal. If I come back to a business I am trespassed from, call the police for trespassing but you don't get to Rob me.
If you believe you do get a sudden license to steal, well, now you understand AP's disdain for casino security who suddenly see theft as a form of trespassing protection.
Quote: rainmanIf she played machines with players card during her alleged ban you can make a strong
argument they knew of her presence did nothing and effectively rescinded the trespass.
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I don't think she used one.
The article says when she won she was asked for her players card or ID and she handed over her ID.
