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March 18th, 2024 at 10:45:37 AM permalink
2.2% house edge based on Ante bet.
But it's really 1.1% HE based on total initial bet.

So why is it considered 2.2%?

Edit:
Mods, pls change title to say Ante+Blinds instead of ante/blinds
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March 18th, 2024 at 12:16:01 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

2.2% house edge based on Ante bet.
But it's really 1.1% HE based on total initial bet.

So why is it considered 2.2%?

Edit:
Mods, pls change title to say Ante+Blinds instead of ante/blinds
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Or just say UTH has a RTP=99.27% and forget about the arbitrariness of HE definitions.

The HE is used by the pit to rate the player. Maybe the first pit boss who had to deal with this problem decided to use 2.2% of an ante bet to rate the players theoretical loss, and that is what stuck. If you play UTH online, you just click either the ante or blind circles and the matching bet is placed in the other circle automatically. It is always a forced matching bet. So this is different than BJ, where the player can decline to double or split where it is called for by basic strategy.

I think it is better for the players in general if the pit boss thinks of UTH as a 2.2% HE game versus 1.1% HE or 0.73% RTP.
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March 18th, 2024 at 1:27:50 PM permalink
I think it's just a convention to calculate the HE in terms of the basic bet unit. As the Wizard notes in the game write-up on WOO, it is probably more appropriate to look at the element of risk anyway. I agree with Mental's previous answer that it is better for the casino management to be thinking about the 2.2% number.
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March 18th, 2024 at 2:31:08 PM permalink
Quote: Mental



I think it is better for the players in general if the pit boss thinks of UTH as a 2.2% HE game versus 1.1% HE or 0.73% RTP.



From my experience the pit doesn't use the actual HE, they inflate it based on how typical players will do.
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March 18th, 2024 at 4:26:14 PM permalink
The Element of Risk is good for comparing games against each other for value.

The house edge is good at estimating player loss per hour. I believe in basing it on the base wager. If it's unclear what the base wager is, it is whatever the table minimum applies to. In the case of UTH is is just the Ante.
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March 19th, 2024 at 11:00:21 AM permalink
Another reason probably is that UTH is often accompanied by several side bets. It makes more sense to use the same base wager as the common reference to compare the house edges from the main game and its side bets.
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March 20th, 2024 at 3:14:37 PM permalink
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I think it is better for the players in general if the pit boss thinks of UTH as a 2.2% HE game versus 1.1% HE or 0.73% RTP.
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At one casino I'm at, I estimate i got 1.375 pts for each $10 hand.
I didn't play trips.

1.375/$10 is 13.75%.
This casino for that session rated me as if the game was 13.75% HE?? :o

Am I calc'ing wrong?
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