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Wizard
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May 28th, 2023 at 1:03:54 PM permalink
2-3-5 Stud Poker was one of the new games by Light and Wonder presented at the 2022 Global Gaming Expo. I hear it is currently on field trial at the Plaza.

If forced to compare it to something, it would be Let it Ride. The player is paid based on a 2-, 3-, and 5-card poker, with two opportunities to raise or check as cards are revealed.

For my complete rules, analysis and strategy, please see my new page on 2-3-5 Stud Poker.

I welcome all comments.

The question for the poll is would you play 2-3-5 Stud Poker?
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May 28th, 2023 at 5:31:12 PM permalink
Your WOO analysis, as usual, evaluates the game as if it is one player heads-up versus the dealer.

But if there are three or four players at the table than the information from seeing other cards dealt to other players would enable you to make more optimal decisions about raising the 3-card and 5 card poker wagers. If there are 4 other players at the table, then that are 8 other cards that might affect your 3 Card Poker decision and 12 other cards that might affect your 5 card Poker decision.

So, are all the cards dealt face-up? Or, are the cards all dealt face down to the player, with each player peeking at cards 1&2, then subsequently peeking at card 3 so as to protect their cards from being seen by other players? Such face-down dealing seems like an unwieldy way for the players to make decisions -when receiving card #3 you would like to consider it in the context of the first two cards that you received. But you would not be able to pick up all three cards at the same time because of the jeopardy that you might secretly rearrange your cards so as to make a better outcome on the 2 Card Poker wager. So, I am guessing that the cards are dealt face up to players.
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May 28th, 2023 at 6:47:34 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Your WOO analysis, as usual, evaluates the game as if it is one player heads-up versus the dealer.
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That is true. I have yet to actually see the game, but I assume the player cards are dealt face down. Investing player collusion would make this analysis about ten times harder and probably benefit nobody. Players smart enough to collude would be doing other plays.
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May 28th, 2023 at 7:11:38 PM permalink



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Id rather have to be a lucky player than good one.
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May 31st, 2023 at 2:26:50 PM permalink
I found a glitch in the posted strategy for the 3 Card Poker wager.

The WOO page currently says:

"The player should raise the 3 Card Poker bet with any of the following in the first two cards.

Any pair
Any two to a straight flush
Open-ended straight draw"

I believe that "Any two to a straight flush" should be changed to "Any two suited cards"

For two suited cards with no straight possibility, the return on the one unit raise wager:

6 outs to a Pair (payout=1); 6*1 = 6
11 outs to a flush (payout =3); 3*11 = 33
33 outs to a Lose (payout = -1) 33*(-1) = -33

6 + 33 + (-33) = +6
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May 31st, 2023 at 3:52:40 PM permalink
If you look at the pays it shows that all winning flushes were raised, thus I'm guessing it's a typo.
RF
SF
Trips
Str
Flush
Pair
Zip
50
20
10
5
3
1
-1
Example
Perms
1.918 552%
Pair
unsuited
A A
78
2
48
1.36
2.72
212.16
Poss RF
suited
AK/AQ
8
1
3
10
6
30
1.42
2.84
22.72
Poss RF SF
suited
KQ
4
1
1
6
9
6
27
2.12
4.24
16.96
outside SF
suited
QJ to 32
40
2
6
9
6
27
1.52
3.04
121.60
inside SF
suited
KJ to A3 A2
48
1
3
10
6
30
0.82
1.64
78.72
no SF
suited
212
11
6
33
0.12
0.24
50.88
Inside str
unsuited
AK/AQ
24
4
6
40
-0.28
-0.28
-6.72
Outside str
unsuited
KQ
12
8
6
36
0.20
0.40
4.80
Outside str
unsuited
QJ to 32
120
8
6
36
0.20
0.40
48.00
Inside str
unsuited
KJ to A3 A2
144
4
6
40
-0.28
-0.28
-40.32
No str poss
unsuited
636
6
44
-0.76
-0.76
-483.36
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May 31st, 2023 at 3:59:01 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

If you look at the pays it shows that all winning flushes were raised, thus I'm guessing it's a typo.

RF
SF
Trips
Str
Flush
Pair
Zip
50
20
10
5
3
1
-1
Example
Perms
1.918 552%
Pair
unsuited
A A
78
2
48
1.36
2.72
212.16
Poss RF
suited
AK/AQ
8
1
3
10
6
30
1.42
2.84
22.72
Poss RF SF
suited
KQ
4
1
1
6
9
6
27
2.12
4.24
16.96
outside SF
suited
QJ to 32
40
2
6
9
6
27
1.52
3.04
121.60
inside SF
suited
KJ to A3 A2
48
1
3
10
6
30
0.82
1.64
78.72
no SF
suited
212
11
6
33
0.12
0.24
50.88
Inside str
unsuited
AK/AQ
24
4
6
40
-0.28
-0.28
-6.72
Outside str
unsuited
KQ
12
8
6
36
0.20
0.40
4.80
Outside str
unsuited
QJ to 32
120
8
6
36
0.20
0.40
48.00
Inside str
unsuited
KJ to A3 A2
144
4
6
40
-0.28
-0.28
-40.32
No str poss
unsuited
636
6
44
-0.76
-0.76
-483.36

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yes, I agree, no change to house edge results are needed, just a mis-statement of strategy.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
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