Pan N9ne
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June 12th, 2022 at 2:16:27 PM
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There are a few posts about this game in the Adventures of Mdawg thread. However, I think the game is worthy of its own thread, which is this one.
The game is a baccarat variant, found at the Palace Station. For all the rules and analysis, please preview my new page on Pan N9ne at WoO.
As always, I welcome all comments, questions, and analysis.
The question for the poll is would you play Pan N9ne?
The game is a baccarat variant, found at the Palace Station. For all the rules and analysis, please preview my new page on Pan N9ne at WoO.
As always, I welcome all comments, questions, and analysis.
The question for the poll is would you play Pan N9ne?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 12th, 2022 at 3:19:25 PM
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Wiz,
One typo: when you wrote "The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for the Tie bet with eight decks of cards. The lower right cells shows a house edge of 10.59%.", the house edge shown for 8 decks is 10.51%.
Dog Hand
One typo: when you wrote "The following table shows the probability and contribution to the return for the Tie bet with eight decks of cards. The lower right cells shows a house edge of 10.59%.", the house edge shown for 8 decks is 10.51%.
Dog Hand
June 12th, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM
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I was surprised that the player should hit a five given that improving to a six is probably not an EV improvement.
Wiz, if you don’t mind, what’s the EV difference between hitting and standing on a player ?
Wiz, if you don’t mind, what’s the EV difference between hitting and standing on a player ?
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June 12th, 2022 at 5:11:59 PM
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Quote: unJonI was surprised that the player should hit a five given that improving to a six is probably not an EV improvement.
Wiz, if you don’t mind, what’s the EV difference between hitting and standing on a player ?
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Good question. With six decks, the EV if the player stands on 5 is -0.020728. So, increase in house edge of 0.02%.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 12th, 2022 at 7:25:43 PM
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So, is the only difference in strategy or gameplay from conventional Bacarrat strategy, that if the dealer has a natural (8 or 9) and the player has a 5 or less, that the player is allowed to draw a third card?
What else distinguishes PanN9ne from conventional Bacarrat?
What else distinguishes PanN9ne from conventional Bacarrat?
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June 12th, 2022 at 9:07:32 PM
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Quote: gordonm888So, is the only difference in strategy or gameplay from conventional Bacarrat strategy, that if the dealer has a natural (8 or 9) and the player has a 5 or less, that the player is allowed to draw a third card?
What else distinguishes PanN9ne from conventional Bacarrat?
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Yes, there is no rule that freezes the hands if either side has an 8 or 9. The dealer follows the Player strategy in baccarat. The player can do what he wants, but the odds favor hitting on 5 and standing on 6.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 12th, 2022 at 9:12:11 PM
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BTW, the EV by hitting on 6 or less is -0.045115 with six decks.
So, five is a rather borderline play, narrowly favoring hitting.
So, five is a rather borderline play, narrowly favoring hitting.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 13th, 2022 at 12:24:01 AM
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Quote: WizardBTW, the EV by hitting on 6 or less is -0.045115 with six decks.
So, five is a rather borderline play, narrowly favoring hitting.
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2% house edge is a big hurdle. Is it possible to change the strategy based on the deck combination so that the player can overcome the house advantage?
As I understand it, the rules of the game are the same as conventional baccarat except :-
1) There is no "natural" rule with 8 or 9 points.
2) Player is freely to hit third card or stand as he wish.
3) Dealer always hit a 3rd card if her first two cards total is 5 or less, regardless of player final total and player third card value(if any).
4) Players are only allow to bet on PLAYER side.
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June 13th, 2022 at 2:19:16 AM
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Quote: ssho88Quote: WizardBTW, the EV by hitting on 6 or less is -0.045115 with six decks.
So, five is a rather borderline play, narrowly favoring hitting.
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2% house edge is a big hurdle. Is it possible to change the strategy based on the deck combination so that the player can overcome the house advantage?
As I understand it, the rules of the game are the same as conventional baccarat except :-
1) There is no "natural" rule with 8 or 9 points.
2) Player is freely to hit third card or stand as he wish.
3) Dealer always hit a 3rd card if her first two cards total is 5 or less, regardless of player final total and player third card value(if any).
4) Players are only allow to bet on PLAYER side.
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Yes, you can express the rules that way.
I suppose card counting would help a little. The player might stand on five in a deck rich in 6's to 9's. However, just going on feel, I don't think it would be enough to overcome the house edge.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 13th, 2022 at 10:00:48 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: ssho88Quote: WizardBTW, the EV by hitting on 6 or less is -0.045115 with six decks.
So, five is a rather borderline play, narrowly favoring hitting.
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2% house edge is a big hurdle. Is it possible to change the strategy based on the deck combination so that the player can overcome the house advantage?
As I understand it, the rules of the game are the same as conventional baccarat except :-
1) There is no "natural" rule with 8 or 9 points.
2) Player is freely to hit third card or stand as he wish.
3) Dealer always hit a 3rd card if her first two cards total is 5 or less, regardless of player final total and player third card value(if any).
4) Players are only allow to bet on PLAYER side.
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Yes, you can express the rules that way.
I suppose card counting would help a little. The player might stand on five in a deck rich in 6's to 9's. However, just going on feel, I don't think it would be enough to overcome the house edge.
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8 deck, player should hit 2 card total 5 points except (1,4) and (2,3), this will lower house edge to -2.051928255%
June 14th, 2022 at 4:21:46 AM
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Quote: ssho888 deck, player should hit 2 card total 5 points except (1,4) and (2,3), this will lower house edge to -2.051928255%
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Good work there!
As a reminder, the total-dependent strategy has an EV of -0.020533. So, that exception lowers the house edge by 0.00014%.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
