Share a +200% EV Game
November 3rd, 2020 at 9:32:54 AM
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I currently live in Las Vegas. I have lived in the US for many years and started my AP career in 2014. I am an Asian, now I am going to move back to Asia very soon.
I learned to count sidebet of BJ and other games, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss-rebate, edge-sorting, shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing during my AP years.
I like to scout Casinos. I have been to 500+ Casinos with table games in the U.S and found hundreds of +EV games. I reported the BJ condition part to the CBJN. I started to report to CBJN from 2014. You can see my name "Ping" appears in the reporter section for 6 areas. I previously also used other names on the CBJN report.
Obviously, I cannot utilize all those US loopholes myself not even with my teams. So, I am willing to share those +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I also hope to use this chance to build some connections in the U.S AP community during my last days in the U.S. I am particularly interested in online casinos and sports betting but open to other communications. There is a multi-billion US$ market for sports betting in Asia.
I am sharing one example of the +EV game in this post. My friend and I are the first team to beat this game. You can read our story of this game in the last part. We actually cracked dozens of games by ourselves (none of the cracking can be found publicly). Tbh, if we wanted to, we can write a book as thick as Eliot’s book. We just do not have time. I will post more and more of our work in this forum.
Please contact me by my Gmail: apingy6 or PM me insite for more +EV games information and potential cooperation/partnership/information exchanges.
Beat the Bad Beat Baccarat Side Bet
Introduction and Rules of this game
wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/bad-beat-baccarat/
In my tables,
Three-card 9 beats three-card 8 == tri 9 8
Natural 9 beats natural 8 == N 9 8
8 beats 7 == A 8 7
Other margin of victory 1 == Bad Beat
A human doable counting system gives out almost 2 units (200% +EV) won per shoe. The bankroll requirement of 1 kelly is 872 big bets, 591 big bets without Tri98. The counting system and EVs are listed below. The EV simulation is based on a 0.5/8 cut. A team of 4 with $100 a bet can make $800 per shoe (1-2 hours).
We actually calculated a lot of data for this game. I will release them little by little here.
Casinos in Vegas with this game from my knowledge
Palms, Palace Station, Red Rock, Stratosphere (not anymore), Green Valley. All have a max of $100
Tropicana has one table of $200 Max
Sunset Station, Boulder Station, $50 Max
Different Casino has a different number of tables from 1 to 10. Tri 9 8 has a lower max than other sidebets.
I listed other Casinos having this game outside Vegas in another post, also shared my story of how do I earn a million through AP in that post
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/35291-how-do-i-make-my-1st-million-via-ap/#post784325
My Gmail: apingy6
(I don't know if email can be posted here, if not allowed, GM please remove my email).
In 2018 Jan, I saw the giant commercial board in Vegas of Bad Beat Bac. I went to a Casino in Feb to take a look at the rule and I immediately realized this game is vulnerable. I went home and calculate the house edge the same night. There was no page of this game on Michael's site yet at that time. Then my friend and I together did the math and run the simulation to design the real-world counting system, find out the profit, required bankroll for this game in a week. It turns out it is a good game. We formed a team in July. (Don’t ask me why it took so long, I am just a slow person and we had other things to do at that time). By that time, there were 8 Casinos in Vegas providing this game. After we won $20,000 in an afternoon at Stratosphere (now Strat) Casino. They shut down this sidebet. We played for 2 months (not every day) and end up giving up. We actually lost money on this team though it is quite a profitable game. There were some problems with our organizing. This loophole is still existing now. I list all the counting strategy and some key simulation result and casino conditions above. Some conditions may be changed now. I heard some Casinos in Vegas change the odds.
I learned to count sidebet of BJ and other games, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss-rebate, edge-sorting, shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing during my AP years.
I like to scout Casinos. I have been to 500+ Casinos with table games in the U.S and found hundreds of +EV games. I reported the BJ condition part to the CBJN. I started to report to CBJN from 2014. You can see my name "Ping" appears in the reporter section for 6 areas. I previously also used other names on the CBJN report.
Obviously, I cannot utilize all those US loopholes myself not even with my teams. So, I am willing to share those +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I also hope to use this chance to build some connections in the U.S AP community during my last days in the U.S. I am particularly interested in online casinos and sports betting but open to other communications. There is a multi-billion US$ market for sports betting in Asia.
I am sharing one example of the +EV game in this post. My friend and I are the first team to beat this game. You can read our story of this game in the last part. We actually cracked dozens of games by ourselves (none of the cracking can be found publicly). Tbh, if we wanted to, we can write a book as thick as Eliot’s book. We just do not have time. I will post more and more of our work in this forum.
Please contact me by my Gmail: apingy6 or PM me insite for more +EV games information and potential cooperation/partnership/information exchanges.
Beat the Bad Beat Baccarat Side Bet
Introduction and Rules of this game
wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/bad-beat-baccarat/
In my tables,
Three-card 9 beats three-card 8 == tri 9 8
Natural 9 beats natural 8 == N 9 8
8 beats 7 == A 8 7
Other margin of victory 1 == Bad Beat
A human doable counting system gives out almost 2 units (200% +EV) won per shoe. The bankroll requirement of 1 kelly is 872 big bets, 591 big bets without Tri98. The counting system and EVs are listed below. The EV simulation is based on a 0.5/8 cut. A team of 4 with $100 a bet can make $800 per shoe (1-2 hours).
We actually calculated a lot of data for this game. I will release them little by little here.
Casinos in Vegas with this game from my knowledge
Palms, Palace Station, Red Rock, Stratosphere (not anymore), Green Valley. All have a max of $100
Tropicana has one table of $200 Max
Sunset Station, Boulder Station, $50 Max
Different Casino has a different number of tables from 1 to 10. Tri 9 8 has a lower max than other sidebets.
I listed other Casinos having this game outside Vegas in another post, also shared my story of how do I earn a million through AP in that post
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/35291-how-do-i-make-my-1st-million-via-ap/#post784325
My Gmail: apingy6
(I don't know if email can be posted here, if not allowed, GM please remove my email).
In 2018 Jan, I saw the giant commercial board in Vegas of Bad Beat Bac. I went to a Casino in Feb to take a look at the rule and I immediately realized this game is vulnerable. I went home and calculate the house edge the same night. There was no page of this game on Michael's site yet at that time. Then my friend and I together did the math and run the simulation to design the real-world counting system, find out the profit, required bankroll for this game in a week. It turns out it is a good game. We formed a team in July. (Don’t ask me why it took so long, I am just a slow person and we had other things to do at that time). By that time, there were 8 Casinos in Vegas providing this game. After we won $20,000 in an afternoon at Stratosphere (now Strat) Casino. They shut down this sidebet. We played for 2 months (not every day) and end up giving up. We actually lost money on this team though it is quite a profitable game. There were some problems with our organizing. This loophole is still existing now. I list all the counting strategy and some key simulation result and casino conditions above. Some conditions may be changed now. I heard some Casinos in Vegas change the odds.
Last edited by: JimLee on Nov 3, 2020
November 4th, 2020 at 8:11:25 AM
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Quote: JimLee
I learned to count sidebet of BJ and other games, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss-rebate, edge-sorting, shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing during my AP years.
November 4th, 2020 at 8:13:10 AM
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Quote: JimLee
I am willing to share my hundreds of +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I also hope to use this chance to build some connections in the U.S AP community during my last days in the U.S.
Please contact me by my Gmail: apingy6 or PM me insite for more +EV games information and potential cooperation/partnership/information exchanges.
November 5th, 2020 at 7:51:22 AM
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what is the pay for some of these bets ,such as n9 vs n8..and trip 9 vs trip 8?
November 5th, 2020 at 8:02:16 AM
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Quote: Sgwhat is the pay for some of these bets ,such as n9 vs n8..and trip 9 vs trip 8?
read this
wizardofodds.com /games/baccarat/side-bets/bad-beat-baccarat/
Wizards even not allow post his own site's link. What a shame
November 5th, 2020 at 8:12:20 AM
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Quote: JimLeeread this
wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/bad-beat-baccarat/
Wizards even not allow post his own site's link. What a shame
Your ability to post links is blocked until you have 20 posts.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/bad-beat-baccarat/
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
November 6th, 2020 at 9:30:45 AM
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The title is misleading . it is not a 200% + ev game as per hand. Tremendous variance , freaking boring are 2 factor that puts it into a 3rd rated play. Anyway thanks for the contribution. If bad beat baccarat is played with a 4 deck shoe and a 13 card cut then it is a different story. : )
November 6th, 2020 at 6:33:34 PM
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Quote: SgThe title is misleading . it is not a 200% + ev game as per hand. Tremendous variance , freaking boring are 2 factor that puts it into a 3rd rated play. Anyway thanks for the contribution. If bad beat baccarat is played with a 4 deck shoe and a 13 card cut then it is a different story. : )
Very good insight. True it is a game need patient
November 11th, 2020 at 7:15:09 PM
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Do you know a way I could calculate the variance, or the DI for the side bets?
