Should Casino Chips be a thing of the past?
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I have long held disdain for casino chips, they seem antiquated, inconvenient, and disgusting (disease transmission).
The current pandemic of COVID-19 seems to reinforce the need for casinos to innovate in this sector now more than ever.
I feel that all table games and poker should be made chipless with terminals to allow inputting a player card and balance added to the card, and bets placed easily by an interactive screen which can track results in real time. This could also be great for poker, prevents players from fumbling with chips or arguing about a stated bet vs what was placed.
It could also allow for payouts to be made through ACH (as well as balances added), I think casinos also need to work on being less cash-centrict and more focused on electronic payouts.
This could be a breakthrough in public health at casinos. And, casinos would be able to lead the way in hand hygiene, by showing that they are serious about public health. (And, they would probably make an increased profit in the process by increasing bet speeds and increasing efficiency in all transactions). This would also make it easier to track table play for tax purposes.
Does anyone else agree that casino chips should be a thing of the past? Or do you think it is too early in history to abolish chips?
They can get rid of the chips, but you're still touching the felt and the cards. The casinos are doing the right thing already getting rid of the dirty people and the dirty people. We're animals bub. You can't climb into the matrix and control these things, just have to live. If it was ever in our best interest, we would never touch our faces involuntarily, but we do, because biologically, our evolution says people who don't aren't worth living.Quote: GandlerThere has been research to make table games chipless for some years. This would hold obvious advantages to casinos (easy to track balances, less burdensome than counting and managing chips, no fear of counterfeit chips, etc.....)
I have long held disdain for casino chips, they seem antiquated, inconvenient, and disgusting (disease transmission).
The current pandemic of COVID-19 seems to reinforce the need for casinos to innovate in this sector now more than ever.
I feel that all table games and poker should be made chipless with terminals to allow inputting a player card and balance added to the card, and bets placed easily by an interactive screen which can track results in real time. This could also be great for poker, prevents players from fumbling with chips or arguing about a stated bet vs what was placed.
It could also allow for payouts to be made through ACH (as well as balances added), I think casinos also need to work on being less cash-centrict and more focused on electronic payouts.
This could be a breakthrough in public health at casinos. And, casinos would be able to lead the way in hand hygiene, by showing that they are serious about public health. (And, they would probably make an increased profit in the process by increasing bet speeds and increasing efficiency in all transactions). This would also make it easier to track table play for tax purposes.
Does anyone else agree that casino chips should be a thing of the past? Or do you think it is too early in history to abolish chips?
Quote: onenickelmiracleThey can get rid of the chips, but you're still touching the felt and the cards. The casinos are doing the right thing already getting rid of the dirty people and the dirty people. We're animals bub. You can't climb into the matrix and control these things, just have to live. If it was ever in our best interest, we would never touch our faces involuntarily, but we do, because biologically, our evolution says people who don't aren't worth living.
Touching the cards would pretty much only apply to poker and maybe some baccarat.
And, there are ways around this as well, such as RFID cards which could display on your kiosk to tell you what cards you were dealt without having to touch them (a display which can quickly be closed to prevent people from looking).
Some casinos do better jobs than others getting rid of dirty people. I would argue casinos tend to have people with poor hygiene in general because people tend to drink and party when there and not care about such things, and also they tend to attract some people with various issues which can be a bad combination of poor hygiene.
I think we can do more to control public health at casinos. Sure we need to live life. But, we don't need to intentionally allow conditions that spread disease, when there are better alternatives.
You're not thinking about the consequences of overprotection. Dirty people was sarcasm bub. You can make millions selling bubbles to live in. There are some places where sanitation is necessary and needed to be taken seriously, still the same place, the hospitals. Casinos, daily life, if it could be done without being burdensome, it would be nice, but it can only be not burdensome in our minds, not in reality.Quote: GandlerTouching the cards would pretty much only apply to poker and maybe some baccarat.
And, there are ways around this as well, such as RFID cards which could display on your kiosk to tell you what cards you were dealt without having to touch them (a display which can quickly be closed to prevent people from looking).
Some casinos do better jobs than others getting rid of dirty people. I would argue casinos tend to have people with poor hygiene in general because people tend to drink and party when there and not care about such things, and also they tend to attract some people with various issues which can be a bad combination of poor hygiene.
I think we can do more to control public health at casinos. Sure we need to live life. But, we don't need to intentionally allow conditions that spread disease, when there are better alternatives.
Eliminating chips only gives the tax man more incentive, and they always have incredibly dirty hands.
If you are worried about touching cheques then you need to see a shrink about OCD. You touch so many things just as bad.
Though I will concede I have told some poker rooms they need to wash the tournament chips. But that is not the same as getting rid of chips altogether.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, keep the cheques. They are part of the table game experience. They tried chipless tables here, the tore them out in a few months.
If you are worried about touching cheques then you need to see a shrink about OCD. You touch so many things just as bad.
Though I will concede I have told some poker rooms they need to wash the tournament chips. But that is not the same as getting rid of chips altogether.
What casino tried them and why were they removed? Technical issue or was it unpopular?
I agree its part of the experience, but it is a part of the experience that I do not particularly like or find safe.
Some (embarrassingly, me included!) when up, physically rathole chips to insure a win. Won't be able to in the way I'm used to.
I checked my win loss statement for the year. It said up $300 ish. I'm up closer to $1500. I think stringent card requirements would eliminate these errors.
It's obviously a negative for the AP community. Being able to computer track bet sizing....... might end card counting as we know it.
You think the casino would not look at my account differently when it sees I make 15 bets per day on UT at an EV of 200+%?
As far as the virus goes, most casinos destroy thier chips and create new ones every few years so they'd just make new ones when this all blows over and they were less likely to be infected.
Quote: GandlerWhat casino tried them and why were they removed? Technical issue or was it unpopular?
I agree its part of the experience, but it is a part of the experience that I do not particularly like or find safe.
Rivers Pittsburgh. I almost got to play the first hand but tech issues and a steakhouse reservation collided.
Why? I heard they were not popular. Game moved too fast and BJ players like the classic feel of chips.
Now they have an electronic version where a real dealer deals up to 30 players on the same hand. No thanks.
I am 100% in favor of keeping chips.
*and I'm sure there are some in the casino industry who would love to do just that
Quote: GandlerTouching the cards would pretty much only apply to poker and maybe some baccarat.
Also pai gow poker and pretty much all the carnival games involve touching the cards. I wonder if it would be possible to make an autoshuffler that also shines UV light on the cards. It would be more difficult to do something similar to chips, except for maybe with roulette.
Quote: AZDuffmanRivers Pittsburgh. I almost got to play the first hand but tech issues and a steakhouse reservation collided.
Why? I heard they were not popular. Game moved too fast and BJ players like the classic feel of chips.
Now they have an electronic version where a real dealer deals up to 30 players on the same hand. No thanks.
I would think faster paced BJ games would be far better for casinos.
Quote: GandlerI would think faster paced BJ games would be far better for casinos.
Not if the players will not play at them.
Quote: jmillsAlso pai gow poker and pretty much all the carnival games involve touching the cards. I wonder if it would be possible to make an autoshuffler that also shines UV light on the cards. It would be more difficult to do something similar to chips, except for maybe with roulette.
The casino should just teleport the cards directly to the player, etc. They should do that. Maybe even the casino could like almost kill all the bacteria on the cards but a few and let the rest live in the wild just for kindness. They could just teleport them to Mars or something so they won't be scared being released. Maybe also too, if you lose money and don't want your wife to find out and come here looking trying to help you, instead of going home broke unable to pay the bills or get a side chick, you could just stay at the casino a few extra hours to wash the chips and pay off your losses.
Casinos are such dirty places, it would be nice if they would use this zero revenue time to get rid of all the dirty things like smokers and door knobs and handicapped railings and people, and straws and money. Getting rid of chips is a good start, and totally feasible with no economic cost at all. I'm glad we were still able to keep talking about this one. At first I didn't even think there was a solution or even a problem.
Good reason would be smokers directing their smoke up and out, broadcasting all particles including Covid 19. What a great time to totally eliminate smoking, including pot, in ALL enclosed spaces!Quote: KeyserKeep the chips but get rid of the disgusting smokers!
Quote: DeMangoGood reason would be smokers directing their smoke up and out, broadcasting all particles including Covid 19. What a great time to totally eliminate smoking, including pot, in ALL enclosed spaces!
You do realize airborne diseases do not travel in smoke?
Also, COVID-19 is not an airborne disease (which is one of many reasons people wearing masks are silly).
Smoking is a traditional part of the casino experience.
Quote: GandlerYou do realize airborne diseases do not travel in smoke?
Also, COVID-19 is not an airborne disease (which is one of many reasons people wearing masks are silly).
Smoking is a traditional part of the casino experience.
Did you not read what I wrote?
Have you not read the number 1 way this virus spreads?
Smoking is harmful to all. Second hand smoke needs to be stripped from the casino experience!
Quote: DeMangoDid you not read what I wrote?
Have you not read the number 1 way this virus spreads?
Smoking is harmful to all. Second hand smoke needs to be stripped from the casino experience!
It is spread through direct or indirect means (IE environmental Surfaces, IE chips....)
I get it, you have an agenda.
We should be allowed gloves to handle chips, I asked and so far no. (Boyd property)
Quote: Gandler...Smoking is a traditional part of the casino experience.
As are cheques.
If they didn't use them, I wouldn't play.
Much of COVID-19 remains a mystery. Like other coronaviruses, it's known to spread from close person-to-person contact through respiratory droplets, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
But can you catch coronavirus from surfaces?
The CDC's website says surfaces can be contaminated with COVID-19. The website adds, though, that there are no known cases that started in that manner.
Quote: GandlerIt is spread through direct or indirect means (IE environmental Surfaces, IE chips....)
See above, so far, you are wrong.
Quote: CalderAs are cheques.
If they didn't use them, I wouldn't play.
I was being ironic.
Smoking and chips are both unhealthy archaic aspects of casinos that linger on.
Quote: DeMangoFrom Fox and CDC:
Much of COVID-19 remains a mystery. Like other coronaviruses, it's known to spread from close person-to-person contact through respiratory droplets, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
But can you catch coronavirus from surfaces?
The CDC's website says surfaces can be contaminated with COVID-19. The website adds, though, that there are no known cases that started in that manner.
You are right, I stand corrected, there is airborne transmission of COVID-19.
However, the point here is related to environmental surfaces. Chips are just gross and a great way to spread disease.
Quote: GandlerYou are right, I stand corrected, there is airborne transmission of COVID-19.
However, the point here is related to environmental surfaces. Chips are just gross and a great way to spread disease.
I will gladly take and dispose of all the chips you are afraid to handle. No charge. You can go play the nice clean slots.
Quote: KeyserKeep the chips but get rid of the disgusting smokers!
Start with this!
Quote: VegasriderStart with this!
I don't think banning smoking is feasible without first removing chips. Both are symbols from the past.
To future-proof themselves casinos need to go more electronic which includes adding more video game based games (Like many have been) and other modern skill based gambling options.
Quote: GandlerI don't think banning smoking is feasible without first removing chips. Both are symbols from the past.
To future-proof themselves casinos need to go more electronic which includes adding more video game based games (Like many have been) and other modern skill based gambling options.
What on earth do smoking and chips have to do with each other?
Why on earth do you even want to go to a casino as you seem to dislike so much about them? Why not just stay home and play your electronic games? I see no reason you would want to enter a casino.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat on earth do smoking and chips have to do with each other?
Why on earth do you even want to go to a casino as you seem to dislike so much about them? Why not just stay home and play your electronic games? I see no reason you would want to enter a casino.
Right now I plan to do exactly that until things fizzle over.
As for what smoking and chips have to do with each other, they are both massive public health hazards.
I love casinos, but they need to modernize.... In many ways they feel like relics of a different era (which may appeal to some people).....
Electronic Games, Electronic payouts (and deposits) are easy ways to modernize. Skill based games (other than poker) are another thing they need.....
Either banning smoking or doing the AC 25% rule (which I think is fair for both smokers and non-smokers) would be a good solution for the smoking issue.
Quote: GandlerRight now I plan to do exactly that until things fizzle over.
As for what smoking and chips have to do with each other, they are both massive public health hazards.
Massive health hazard? Chips? Get a grip on reality.
People who play table games generally do not live in fear of every little thing. And we like the feel and sound of chips. We like the community of the table.
Stick to playing online if that is what you prefer. People go to a casino to get away from what they can get at home.
Quote: AZDuffmanMassive health hazard? Chips? Get a grip on reality.
People who play table games generally do not live in fear of every little thing. And we like the feel and sound of chips. We like the community of the table.
Stick to playing online if that is what you prefer. People go to a casino to get away from what they can get at home.
It is well known that smoking is the leading cause of preventable death worldwide (and second leading cause in U.S. behind only to obesity because Americans have poor diet and exercise habits, casinos can also have a role on this front by having more standing tables and slots, and more gyms, but that is a matter for another time).
It is also well known that improper hand-hygiene is one of the leading causes of deaths worldwide (that number is harder to quantify), especially in developing countries where diseases can be far more fatal.
Both smoking and disinfecting environmental surfaces are things which can be controlled (because it has to be assumed that most customers do not properly wash hands).
I don't think pointing out the harms of smoking and improper hand hygiene should be controversial.
I do agree with your comment that most people who play a lot probably do not care, because gamblers tend to engage in riskier (and less sanitary behavior) on average, which means casinos need to step up more than ever to be the responsible party.
As far the machines, the electronic paper ticket payouts are nice vs the actual coins dropping out of the machine.
Quote: VegasriderImagine playing poker without chips and not having any cards to hold. Online poker and live poker are different. just not the same. Besides, chips are used in the casinos favor, most people have an easier time betting than using actual cash.
As far the machines, the electronic paper ticket payouts are nice vs the actual coins dropping out of the machine.
Exactly, that is a prime example.
Everybody thought it would be insane to remove coins from slots. But, now tickets are widely regarded as safer and more convenient.
I would make the same argument for slots that they also need to go a step further and allow electronic deposits (not just cash) and electronic ticket withdraws.
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You got it buddy. I am waving my scepter on my crown and lay the law of the land. From this day forward, none of my people will ever have to smell that stinky smoke and touch a dirty chip. Body condoms will be given to everyone covered in Royal gold.
Quote: themDaddy, it's not fair. It's wrong mommy.
Quote: onenickelmiracleCan this thread just be closed? These people think the rest of us work for the casinos?
Close a thread you don't agree with? That is original.....
It is a pretty relevant point. Nobody thinks everyone works for casinos (though many here do, even more watch), but I feel its a fair point of view to have, and its an issue I have long talked about, and now seems like a good time to convince others of the danger since people tend to be compounding fear of such things right now, and now is the first time casinos are taking many dramatic changes very quickly...
Quote: GandlerClose a thread you don't agree with? That is original.....
It is a pretty relevant point. Nobody thinks everyone works for casinos (though many here do, even more watch), but I feel its a fair point of view to have, and its an issue I have long talked about, and now seems like a good time to convince others of the danger since people tend to be compounding fear of such things right now, and now is the first time casinos are taking many dramatic changes very quickly...
Nobody is being convinced of anything. It's pointless. All you can do is try and it is futile. Common sense says if it was easy, it would be done. Too burdensome and people wouldn't want to play the game without chips.
See we're arguing, it's like trying to argue with someone trying to kill themselves. It's really just a troll thread.
Look at the poll results. Overwhelming against you.
Quote: onenickelmiracleNobody is being convinced of anything. It's pointless. All you can do is try and it is futile. Common sense says if it was easy, it would be done. Too burdensome and people wouldn't want to play the game without chips.
I made my argument and pointed to evidence. Your response was people like chips are willing to accept the risk of chips and second hand smoke.
That is fine. But, I laid out my position in a traditional fashion, provided reasons, and alternatives.
Quote: onenicklemiracleSee we're arguing, it's like trying to argue with someone trying to kill themselves. It's really just a troll thread.
Kind of an ironic metaphor from somebody who is supporting activities that literally lead to death.....
But, again, you love calling threads troll threads when people disagree with you. I made a rational post, listened to responses, accepted when I had incorrect information (airborne transmission), and adjusted. The exact opposite of a troll post....
The point of debate is to lay out a position and respond to criticism, saying it is a troll thread because of argument, would imply that any debate is a troll thread, and without debate there is no point of discussions......
Quote: onenicklemiracleLook at the poll results. Overwhelming against you.
The poll was alarmingly successful at suggesting that people who responded tend to favor chips. I never claimed the poll was going to go one way or the other. It is clear people are attached to the idea of chips.
Quote: MintyPeriodically I have phases in my life where I like to collect things. By far my favorite thing to collect right now are casino chips. I like how they look. I like how they feel. Seeing how designs and textures differ is interesting to me. They serve as little souvenirs of places I've traveled to and help make the memories more permanent. I don't like the idea of being tracked any more closely. For these reasons and more, I'm pretty pro chip.
Those are fair points, I enjoy collecting chips too (coins and chips). There is something interesting about antique coins and chips.
That being said I am not a fan of using coins in everyday life (anymore than I like to use chips).
The tracking issue is a real one. While it would be beneficial to some (some people get underrepped for comps when playing at tables), I can understand why some are hesitant.
I think even if chips were replaced, collectibles would still be available (I know it would not be the same as they were never live chips so to speak).
Quote: GandlerIt is well known that smoking is the leading cause of preventable death worldwide (and second leading cause in U.S. behind only to obesity because Americans have poor diet and exercise habits, casinos can also have a role on this front by having more standing tables and slots, and more gyms, but that is a matter for another time).
A casino is not a gym. Other than craps people do not want to stand, Casinos are not supposed to be your mother to keep you from being obese. I ask again why on earth you even enter a casino. You think they are germ factories and now you think they are somehow supposed to play a role in maintaining proper body mass?
I have said as a joke that when a casino puts the poker room, sports book, and men's room at far corners that forces that kind of player to at least walk some fat off. But that is a joke. A casino is not where you go to get healthy.
Quote:It is also well known that improper hand-hygiene is one of the leading causes of deaths worldwide (that number is harder to quantify), especially in developing countries where diseases can be far more fatal.
Both smoking and disinfecting environmental surfaces are things which can be controlled (because it has to be assumed that most customers do not properly wash hands).
I don't think pointing out the harms of smoking and improper hand hygiene should be controversial.
I do agree with your comment that most people who play a lot probably do not care, because gamblers tend to engage in riskier (and less sanitary behavior) on average, which means casinos need to step up more than ever to be the responsible party.
"Pointing out harm of improper hygiene" is not "controversial." Suggesting cheques are some kind of bio hazard is. Suggesting casinos have a role to play in maintaining proper body mass is. You do not seem to understand either the purpose of a casino or the mentality of a real casino player. People who are afraid of every little risk do not frequent casinos. Table game players like seeing that stack of cheques. Poker players like seeing real cards come out, And plenty like doing this with an alcoholic beverage.
If all of this is not your cup of team play online.
Quote: GandlerQuote: VegasriderImagine playing poker without chips and not having any cards to hold. Online poker and live poker are different. just not the same. Besides, chips are used in the casinos favor, most people have an easier time betting than using actual cash.
As far the machines, the electronic paper ticket payouts are nice vs the actual coins dropping out of the machine.
Exactly, that is a prime example.
Everybody thought it would be insane to remove coins from slots. But, now tickets are widely regarded as safer and more convenient.
I would make the same argument for slots that they also need to go a step further and allow electronic deposits (not just cash) and electronic ticket withdraws.
On one hand I do not miss the machine oil you picked up handling the coins. OTOH, I miss the real feel of the coins. OTOOH I am not a slots player just VP, so they are not catering to me.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: GandlerQuote: VegasriderImagine playing poker without chips and not having any cards to hold. Online poker and live poker are different. just not the same. Besides, chips are used in the casinos favor, most people have an easier time betting than using actual cash.
As far the machines, the electronic paper ticket payouts are nice vs the actual coins dropping out of the machine.
Exactly, that is a prime example.
Everybody thought it would be insane to remove coins from slots. But, now tickets are widely regarded as safer and more convenient.
I would make the same argument for slots that they also need to go a step further and allow electronic deposits (not just cash) and electronic ticket withdraws.
On one hand I do not miss the machine oil you picked up handling the coins. OTOH, I miss the real feel of the coins. OTOOH I am not a slots player just VP, so they are not catering to me.
I am not big on slots either. But, it was just an example of a similar change that was controversial and is now the standard.
But, a good non slot example is roulette. I am also not big on roulette, but occasionally enjoy it (usually if others want to play it), anyway, there are always traditional roulette tables.
But, now many casinos offer physical real roulette with screen based betting (there are several companies that make such things). Generally the ball is rolled automatically. I much prefer playing this form of roulette (for one it is far faster as payouts are instant), and you are not dealing with several types chips placed back and forth.
Roulette is easier to physically automate than BJ for example (assuming you want to keep physical cards). But, even if there was a dealer, betting can be automated.
Roll to win craps (touchscreen full size craps table...no chips) was supposed to be installed at the Linq or O'Shea's a long while back. Never happened as far as I know. Bills had a touch screen craps many years ago. Didn't last.
After this is all over...I expect some changes here in Vegas and a frankly, all over. Most likely in the buffet industry. Would not surprise me to see many go away.
Chips are gonna stay, IMO.....other changes? Who knows what's going to change. I've become very aware of a sneeze or hack cough within my "zone".
Even before all this...I hit the men's room after a casino visit and gave my hands a good wash. Then again when I got home. Casinos are a breeding ground for a lot of filth. They try their best to keep it sanitary but nature of the beast with people running in and out of bathrooms as if the table or slot machine can't wait.
Quote: GandlerQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: GandlerQuote: VegasriderImagine playing poker without chips and not having any cards to hold. Online poker and live poker are different. just not the same. Besides, chips are used in the casinos favor, most people have an easier time betting than using actual cash.
As far the machines, the electronic paper ticket payouts are nice vs the actual coins dropping out of the machine.
Exactly, that is a prime example.
Everybody thought it would be insane to remove coins from slots. But, now tickets are widely regarded as safer and more convenient.
I would make the same argument for slots that they also need to go a step further and allow electronic deposits (not just cash) and electronic ticket withdraws.
On one hand I do not miss the machine oil you picked up handling the coins. OTOH, I miss the real feel of the coins. OTOOH I am not a slots player just VP, so they are not catering to me.
I am not big on slots either. But, it was just an example of a similar change that was controversial and is now the standard.
But, a good non slot example is roulette. I am also not big on roulette, but occasionally enjoy it (usually if others want to play it), anyway, there are always traditional roulette tables.
But, now many casinos offer physical real roulette with screen based betting (there are several companies that make such things). Generally the ball is rolled automatically. I much prefer playing this form of roulette (for one it is far faster as payouts are instant), and you are not dealing with several types chips placed back and forth.
Roulette is easier to physically automate than BJ for example (assuming you want to keep physical cards). But, even if there was a dealer, betting can be automated.
None of this is for sanitation. It is all so you can lose your money faster. You need to understand that most players prefer chips. Most don’t want a faster pace. Quit trying to reinvent the wheel. You are not making your case as was said upthread look at the votes.
