bobbartop
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February 23rd, 2020 at 9:25:20 PM permalink
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Particular shift manager does everything he can to drive away my action. He has threatened to back me off on UTH because I was helping other players how to play. He said the casino was better off without me for a couple of reasons, I was a winning player and I was helping others win. No different than someone giving advice in a BJ game. Fine, I stopped giving advice. I stopped playing UTH and transitioned to DJ. Iím having better success playing DJ than UTH. Now heís accusing me of exposing my cards and slowing down the game. He should watch me play before accusing me of any wrong doing. Iíve been a life long poker player, itís a habit for me not to expose my cards. And I always sit at 3rd base so itís really difficult to see what I have. Every other player shares, expose or even shows their happy winning hands. Many players pinch their cards then arrange their hand in whatever order, that slows down the game. It takes me one second for me to read my hand and I either bet or donít play. Iím literally the fastest DJ player in Reno. I donít waste time sorting my cards. Now since I sit at 3rd base, my hand is 1st to be turned over by the dealer if played so once everyone has acted I usually just spread my cards face up and I bet or donít bet. Iím actually saving time by doing something that the dealer has to do anyways. I donít know howís thatís exposing the cards since everyone else has either folded or already bet. Iím expediting the game. But again, no big deal, I can just turn my hand face down and let the dealer turn it over.

When I play live poker I love really fast dealers who can pitch the cards. I hate slow dealers, or worst slow dealers who talk. I donít mind dealers who talk as long as they keep the game going. Players who play slow also irritates me. This is my mindset playing the table games, I like to play fast. So LOL on the manager saying Iím slowing down the game.




Omg, seek help. What an attitude. I bet you're a barrel of laughs in a poker game. Sadly, I'm quite sure there is nothing that will help you, nothing that will change your view of the gambling world. It must have taken years and years to get this bitter.
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February 24th, 2020 at 7:50:19 AM permalink
Opening ganes I understand, they have to wait until a game breaks down or a new shift of dealers begin. I have been playing DJ about 20 hours a week for the past few months, usually around 8-10 hr a session beginning Fri and Sat nights so my session carries over into grave which is the shift manager who seems to have an issue with me. By graveyard, I often have accumulated a massive amount of chips so maybe if he had to close a game, it would be a game that most likely would bring a negative value during his shift. I was looking around at the other games and I was just wondering why my game? I don't like chipping up to keep a small stack either, I have goals. I go for wiping out their red and green chips out of the rack. If they need them back because they have new players or simply run out, I'll chip up. Otherwise I will build my wall of chips just like when I play live poker.

But as one member mentioned, and ts a great point, I don't want the dealer to get written up as surveillance could misinterpret based on what I did by me doing my last action flop.

I hope this thread brought some amusement to some, we are all.different and have different mindsets when it comes to gambling. I'm a very competitive person and always looking for an edge to help beat the game.
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February 24th, 2020 at 7:54:24 AM permalink
I don't know the law in Nevada, but I am sure they can close any table at any time (as long as its not in the middle of a play).
I see this happen all over, its a reality when playing at 24/7 casinos at odd times, shifts change, dealers call out or dont show, so tables get closed.

Its pretty common.

Are they too cheap to pay OT? Maybe, or maybe the dealer just does not want to be forced into OT?
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February 24th, 2020 at 8:05:29 AM permalink
When I first moved to Vegas, I was surprised some local bars stay open 24/7.
Several bartenders told me that it was because the bar didn't own their own gambling machines. I took it to mean the state mandated them to stay open but now think it was the game leasing companies that insist on that.
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February 24th, 2020 at 8:41:32 AM permalink
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When I first moved to Vegas, I was surprised some local bars stay open 24/7.
Several bartenders told me that it was because the bar didn't own their own gambling machines. I took it to mean the state mandated them to stay open but now think it was the game leasing companies that insist on that.



Casino also don't own certain games, like DJ or UTH. They have to pay some royalties or lease on the game
Same for the shuffling machines, I think they said $1400 a day for each machine whether you use them or not. So seems to me paying OT, which is an extra $3.63 an hour based on state minimum wage is a no brainier. Based on the time, it would involve the 7-3 dealers to work about 2 hours of OT. Manager did say cannot close a ctaps game in the middle of a roll.
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February 24th, 2020 at 8:43:28 AM permalink
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Casino also don't own certain games, like DJ or UTH. They have to pay some royalties or lease on the game
Same for the shuffling machines, I think they said $1400 a day for each machine whether you use them or not. So seems to me paying OT, which is an extra $3.63 an hour based on state minimum wage is a no brainier. Based on the time, it would involve the 7-3 dealers to work about 2 hours of OT. Manager did say cannot close a ctaps game in the middle of a roll.



Maybe the manager can sense that you are on the cusp of finding an edge to beat the game , so he closes your table out of fear.
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February 24th, 2020 at 8:50:21 AM permalink
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Maybe the manager can sense that you are on the cusp of finding an edge to beat the game , so he closes your table out of fear.



That's it. lol
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February 24th, 2020 at 9:33:57 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

When I first moved to Vegas, I was surprised some local bars stay open 24/7.
Several bartenders told me that it was because the bar didn't own their own gambling machines. I took it to mean the state mandated them to stay open but now think it was the game leasing companies that insist on that.



One of my companies leases slots to bars and we do not make them stay open 24/7. Our requirement is that someone must be there to guard andprotect the machines. Some bars will just hire a security person to sit there all night. When there is hundreds of thousands of dollars in the machines we want them protected.
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February 24th, 2020 at 9:39:24 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Casino also don't own certain games, like DJ or UTH. They have to pay some royalties or lease on the game
Same for the shuffling machines, I think they said $1400 a day for each machine whether you use them or not. So seems to me paying OT, which is an extra $3.63 an hour based on state minimum wage is a no brainier. Based on the time, it would involve the 7-3 dealers to work about 2 hours of OT. Manager did say cannot close a ctaps game in the middle of a roll.



There is no chance the price per shuffler is $1400/day/machine. I don't know the actual price, but no one would pay that. Perhaps $1400/month. You're talking about automating a process they pay dealers $10/hr to do.
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February 24th, 2020 at 10:56:40 AM permalink
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There is no chance the price per shuffler is $1400/day/machine. I don't know the actual price, but no one would pay that. Perhaps $1400/month. You're talking about automating a process they pay dealers $10/hr to do.



That's what I have been told by one of the managers, I'm sure contracts vary by casino. I'm sure they cannot buy the shuffling machines, they must lease them. Same goes for the poker rooms, they lesse the machines. I know the poker manager well, I'm sure I can verify what the cost is, but it may differ depending on the games.

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