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Vegasrider
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:12:26 PM permalink
So after playing UTH for the past 2 or so years with some success, using my own modified basic strategy, I have transitioned over to DJ. The game is very similar but itís five card stud with five wild cards vs holdíem where it uses seven cards. A very simple game requiring very little or no basic strategy. I find the game less volatile and I like the fact that the dealer has no qualifier so you get paid off on the ante on every winning hand, which is huge. You also get paid on the blind bets just like UTH if you have at least a straight. Just like UTH, I rarely play the trips or the DJ 2 way bad beat bet. I have played it about a dozen times or roughly 2500 hands. I do track the number of hands I play as well as the number of hands I win or lose.

I recommend playing in the 3rd base position, it often creates a small advantage by knowing how many hands will be folded or how many wild cards are in play assuming you are not playing one one one with the dealer. Essentially you are last to act. I say this because the dealers will always go from left to right.
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:24:39 PM permalink
Iím afraid Iím not familiar with that game, but I know Iíd love to play UTH if the ante always paid. They should do that.

Definitely a good idea about playing third base. If you were inclined, you could probably quantify an optimal strategy to account for known cards aside from obvious changes. Maybe someone has already done it.

If youíre a casual player who likes low variance card games, you might enjoy Pai-Gow Poker if youíve never played it before. Although, itís a bit too low variance for some.
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January 13th, 2020 at 7:54:33 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Iím afraid Iím not familiar with that game, but I know Iíd love to play UTH if the ante always paid. They should do that.



Yup, in DJ Poker your Ante bet pays on all wins.

But, the Blind bet only uses 5 cards instead of 7 in UTH. Much easier to get a 5-card straight (or better) when you start with 7 cards. DJ Poker blind bet has an "expected player loss of 38.2%," according to WoO's write-up. Except for that, players battle dealers heads-up in a fair poker game (as far as I can tell).

Probably lots of fun at the table, with some players crushing the dealer and some getting crushed. Thanx to VegasRider for the OP.
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January 13th, 2020 at 8:22:31 AM permalink
Lucky: Are there any installs in the Biloxi area?
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January 13th, 2020 at 9:16:32 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Yup, in DJ Poker your Ante bet pays on all wins.

But, the Blind bet only uses 5 cards instead of 7 in UTH. Much easier to get a 5-card straight (or better) when you start with 7 cards. DJ Poker blind bet has an "expected player loss of 38.2%," according to WoO's write-up. .



I was trying to determine the variance how often the blind bets gets paid off with only receiving 5 cards but including 5 wild cards vs receiving just seven in UTH. I can tell you this much based from my 12 game sample that the frequemcy of receiving quads are much greater in DJ. I track how many quads I receive in both games and I usually receive them about a half dozen times in an 8 hour session vs UTH where I can go days without one. I have also recalled receiving quads back to back twice! I've even had a 5 of a kind, but that is rare however I've seen one player receive two in one session.

After losing $400 Friday I came back Sat evening and crushed them for $2300. I also find that I can win a lot faster in DJ and lose a lot slower vs UTH, which I stated earlier that the swings are less volatile. Again, I always treat UTH and DFJ like playing live poker, I am willing to put in the hours and grind it out, and acknowledging that rushes do come and I take afvantages of them.
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January 13th, 2020 at 9:20:39 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Yup, in DJ Poker your Ante bet pays on all wins.

But, the Blind bet only uses 5 cards instead of 7 in UTH. Much easier to get a 5-card straight (or better) when you start with 7 cards. DJ Poker blind bet has an "expected player loss of 38.2%," according to WoO's write-up. Except for that, players battle dealers heads-up in a fair poker game (as far as I can tell).

Probably lots of fun at the table, with some players crushing the dealer and some getting crushed. Thanx to VegasRider for the OP.



It seems the play point is a pair of fours, or better, unless it also includes a lone three. Assuming anyone has any idea what they are doing, then you would assume that folders have not folded wild cards, so those would still be available for the dealer. If you can get an eye on whether or not other players have wild cards, then the dealer cannot have those. I guess I would focus on learning when you should fold a pair of fours, or better, as well as maybe when to incorporate a pair of threes into your raise.

I can't imagine Ace-High ever being a raise, but I guess you never know. A-K-Q-low-Low, maybe?

I might goof off on a few specific scenarios for you one day. I'm pretty busy for a bit, so maybe PM me in about a week if I haven't? I think the whole thing would be basically incumbent on the dealer's probability of having a wild card, because if he does, your fours are automatically beaten.
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January 13th, 2020 at 10:56:18 AM permalink
@ Mission, as far as learning the basic strategy the pair of fours with at least a ten kicker is all you need to know. However you can lower your hand requirements to play based on the informarion you have obtained from other players. This is why I mentioned playing 3rd base has a distinctive advantage over other positions since you can be the last to act and watch how many hands are folded or how many wild cards are revealed. Ive been a life long poker player, I automatically watch the other players facial expression and behavior which helps determine how many wild cards are out. Most players will auto play the trips and maybe the bad beat bet, so they get excited whenever they have those qualiifying hands. And most of those hands involve wild cards so its pretty easy to figure out. If it happens to be a natural qualifying hand, they automatically are looking down at felt for the payout.

So seat position and players " Tells" being able to read or hear what cards the other players have based on behavior alone can be used as useful information. I could be dealt a Royal Flush and my facial expression or behavior will for the most part, be the same as any other hand.
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January 13th, 2020 at 2:54:24 PM permalink
I enjoy DJW as well, unfortunately I'm a sucker for the sucker bets. I'm one of those weirdos who bets minimum on the main game, and big on the bonuses hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. I don't recommend that play of course, but it's what I enjoy.
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January 13th, 2020 at 3:10:35 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

I enjoy DJW as well, unfortunately I'm a sucker for the sucker bets. I'm one of those weirdos who bets minimum on the main game, and big on the bonuses hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. I don't recommend that play of course, but it's what I enjoy.



FYI...I have gone thru 200 hands that would have NOT qualified for the bad beat prop. So if I had bet $5, thats a $1000 I burned chasing. But again, I have also been dealt numerous hands that qualified within a short period of time. I have hit a natural straight, flush and house within 30 minutes with a dealer who I usually run extremely well with so I have cashed on those high returns at 20, 25 and 30:1 @ $10 a pop.
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January 13th, 2020 at 6:41:54 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Lucky: Are there any installs in the Biloxi area?



I'm not Lucky, but they had it at Treasure Bay last time I was there. Think that's the only place, but you might also check Island View.
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