Audio surveillance?

Quote: darkoz

Well maybe in Vegas

On the East Coast we dont have to worry about that. You can trust me on that one.

And I too have seen security reports and spoken to security staff at the highest levels.

EDIT: As I am primarily not a tables game AP perhaps we are just discussing 2 different beasts here.

If I am handing someone money in a casino its generally over a slot machine or in a food vendor.

I have handed cash to friends of mine at live tables because then I wasnt APing which if the casino wanted to follow my every move now I would have no problem with. I rarely play live tables where I AP because it would feel too much like giving the money back

I am not even talking about tables games. If you think I only play in Vegas you are sorely mistaken(I can actually go many other places with ease since I have a DL and a car), not to mention I know people who also play on the EC regularly. Sorry but I CAN'T trust you on this issue AT ALL. You made your stand on the issue and no matter what evidence is presented and how wrong you are you will never admit you are wrong.

I know it's not always possible to pass money off covertly and there are certain situations where it's worth risking open money exchanges, however, I can't see what harm there is in trying your best to avoid it when possible. You seem to take pride in openly doing it all carelessly. As I said before, they might not harass you, but they might take notice that you are up to something and then they investigate further leading them to change or shut down an opportunity. AP's should do as much as they reasonably can to preserves themselves and plays, not only for themselves, but for AP in general. I'm not saying I myself is blameless or even close to perfect, but I at least try to be careful, keep an open mind and learn from my and other peoples mistakes.

Quote: AxelWolf

I am not even talking about tables games. If you think I only play in Vegas you are sorely mistaken(I can actually go many other places with ease since I have a DL and a car), not to mention I know people who also play on the EC regularly. Sorry but I CAN'T trust you on this issue AT ALL. You made your stand on the issue and no matter what evidence is presented and how wrong you are you will never admit you are wrong.

I know it's not always possible to pass money off covertly and there are certain situations where it's worth risking open money exchanges, however, I can't see what harm there is in trying your best to avoid it when possible. You seem to take pride in openly doing it all carelessly. As I said before, they might not harass you, but they might take notice that you are up to something and then they investigate further leading them to change or shut down an opportunity. AP's should do as much as they reasonably can to preserves themselves and plays, not only for themselves, but for AP in general. I'm not saying I myself is blameless or even close to perfect, but I at least try to be careful, keep an open mind and learn from my and other peoples mistakes.

You are trying to reason with someone that has been robbed by people in his own circle, has 2 court cases pending (not one but 2; think about that), and has to wear a Halloween mask. To boot, this is someone that supposedly specializes in 2-3 niche areas of AP and claims to be a specialist, when questioned, regarding his lack of general knowledge of his chosen craft.

Where's the emoji banging his head on a wall?
#POINTLESS

Quote: MaxPen

You are trying to reason with someone that has been robbed by people in his own circle, has 2 court cases pending (not one but 2; think about that), and has to wear a Halloween mask. To boot, this is someone that supposedly specializes in 2-3 niche areas of AP and claims to be a specialist, when questioned, regarding his lack of general knowledge of his chosen craft.

Where's the emoji banging his head on a wall?
#POINTLESS

Damn, you be ruthless!

Whatever the case, someone else might read something I address to DO(or can we call him BB?) who might take heed.

#keepAPalive.

I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters

Quote: darkoz

I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters

Most successful APs I know live very quiet no stress lives. They find the edge, dig in, shut up, take the money, and move on with no drama. Nature of the business. They'd have to write a NYT best seller and publish it themselves to even come close to breaking even on their story. You are correct that their story in every case could be contained to one to a few pages at most.
Fortunately, the industry is full of characters, charlatans, and incompetents that make for good entertainment. Don't need to live that end in order to tell those stories though. To each their own.

Quote: darkoz

I definitely go through some adventures

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Otherwise you would have

chapter 1:

No heat. Made thousands. Had dinner

Chapter 2:

No heat this chapter either. Made thousands. Had special dinner

Chapter 3:

No heat this chapter again. Took off for WOV spring fling. Met other scared like rabbits APs. Not bad people. Just no stories worth telling. All perfect APs who make no mistakes and think they are better because they have drivers licenses.

Chapter 4: returned to AP no heat again

No one is buying my book with those chapters

Um, who said they didn't make mistakes and were perfect? I think i said just the opposite.

perhaps Chapter 5 should be.... I make things out to be the opposite of what I have been actually told.


I have MANY very interesting AP and non AP stories that you wouldn't believe, along with witnesses and documents to back them up. I just don't feel the need to write about them all day long. Hell, just the other day I got cuffed and put in the back of a police car. Thank god they didn't search my jacket since I had $200 in $1 bills and $400 in $5 bills(that's how I roll) and they would have been really suspicious.

Yeah... No heat, made thousands is what most of us are actually going for. It's kind of the whole point, really.

Quote: AxelWolf

Um, who said they didn't make mistakes and were perfect? I think i said just the opposite.

perhaps Chapter 5 should be.... I make things out to be the opposite of what I have been actually told.


I have MANY very interesting AP and non AP stories that you wouldn't believe, along with witnesses and documents to back them up. I just don't feel the need to write about them all day long. Hell, just the other day I got cuffed and put in the back of a police car. Thank god they didn't search my jacket since I had $200 in $1 bills and $400 in $5 bills(that's how I roll) and they would have been really suspicious.

Stories that arent told are like trees that fall in the forest with no one around.

1) suspicious of $600?

2) 200 $1? You actually broke down large bills? The machines dont hand out more than 4 at a time. And why? What large scale play could possibly warrant that?

And since you say it looks suspicious there cant be any cover aspects to it.

3) cuffed and put into a police car for legal AP? And you arent considering a lawsuit?

Quote: rdw4potus

Yeah... No heat, made thousands is what most of us are actually going for. It's kind of the whole point, really.

Totally agree

I dont seek heat. Would love quiet

But as even Axel just posted APs wind up with stories to tell. Its a war and there are always some casualties in a war

Even secret wars!

I just enjoy sharing those stories.

Almost certainly illegal. If a casino was going to break the law to protect their profits, this would be one of the most inefficient ways to do it. I'm sure the lawyers wish it was true

Quote: darkoz

Stories that arent told are like trees that fall in the forest with no one around.

1) suspicious of $600?

2) 200 $1? You actually broke down large bills? The machines dont hand out more than 4 at a time. And why? What large scale play could possibly warrant that?

And since you say it looks suspicious there cant be any cover aspects to it.

3) cuffed and put into a police car for legal AP? And you arent considering a lawsuit?

This had nothing to do with AP. I bought a car. Here in NV you have to smog your car and get insurance before you can register it. I insured it immediately of course. But, you need to go get a 30 day moving permit from the DMV and then go smog it. It had no plates. So I said FK it, ill take the risk. So I grabbed the tittle and my smog coupon that my wife insisted I use. I then headed outside and took the plates off one of my other cars and put them on that car so I could drive it to get smogged and avoid a trip to the DMV without being noticed(Something I may have done a few times in the past without a problem). No such luck, a cop happen to get behind me and he DID notice. The cops jumped out of their Car rather aggressively once we stopped. They yelled for me to put my hands up(I didnt see any guns drawn). They kept telling me to roll down the window. Not being used to the car I didnt really know where the controls were so it took me longer than normal. They didnt like that and said just open the door. They asked me if I knew why they pulled me over. I said, "yes, I will be honest with you" I just bought the car I needed to get the car smogged so I could go register it". "Here is licence, the insurance and here is my smog coupon, the smog place is just down the road, I swapped my plates and figure no one would notice, so I took the risk."

After the cop went to his car and came back, he said, "here is the deal, we take plate switching serouly here because it usually indicates a stolen car or possibly another crime" I said, " I know, and I'm sorry.... lesson learned." He said, I could give you multiple tickets and impound your car, but I'm not going to since you were upfront and honest with us, we really appreciate that. He told me to take off the plates and just drive it without the plates if I'm going to go on to get it smogged and registered.

Just after that, the other cop came over and noticed the tittle on the seat and he asked to see it. He left back to the police car. When he returned he told me to step out of the car and then put me in cuffs. He proceeded to put me in the back of the police car. They said the car came back as stolen. I said, "I certainly didn't steal it, why would I steal a car and then get it insured?" As it turns out, there was some kind of mix up with a similar car being stolen or something like that. They actually apologized and let me go. He told me if I get pulled over again on the way to the smog or DMV to just let them know that officer xxx just pulled you over and gave you hell. Theses particular police officers were actually fairly nice considering the situation.

As it turns out I had to go get the 30 day moving permit anyways because I could't get it smogged since I had disconnected the battery cable to install some more charging ports. I guess it needed to be driven x amount of freeway miles to reset the computer. My Wife said," I told you so, you should have just got the moving permit in the the first place."



Yes, if you are rolling around with that many ones and fives they think you are dealing crack or something like that. Some casino redemption machines will spit out a lot of $5 bills no matter how big the ticket is. The ones are from that and not consolidating as often as I should be. I was planning on paying for everything that day in ones and fives.

Quote: AxelWolf

This had nothing to do with AP. I bought a car. Here in NV you have to smog your car and get insurance before you can register it. I insured it immediately of course. But, you need to go get a 30 day moving permit from the DMV and then go smog it. It had no plates. So I said FK it, ill take the risk. So I grabbed the tittle and my smog coupon that my wife insisted I use. I then headed outside and took the plates off one of my other cars and put them on that car so I could drive it to get smogged and avoid a trip to the DMV without being noticed(Something I may have done a few times in the past without a problem). No such luck, a cop happen to get behind me and he DID notice. The cops jumped out of their Car rather aggressively once we stopped. They yelled for me to put my hands up(I didnt see any guns drawn). They kept telling me to roll down the window. Not being used to the car I didnt really know where the controls were so it took me longer than normal. They didnt like that and said just open the door. They asked me if I knew why they pulled me over. I said, "yes, I will be honest with you" I just bought the car I needed to get the car smogged so I could go register it". "Here is licence, the insurance and here is my smog coupon, the smog place is just down the road, I swapped my plates and figure no one would notice, so I took the risk."

After the cop went to his car and came back, he said, "here is the deal, we take plate switching serouly here because it usually indicates a stolen car or possibly another crime" I said, " I know, and I'm sorry.... lesson learned." He said, I could give you multiple tickets and impound your car, but I'm not going to since you were upfront and honest with us, we really appreciate that. He told me to take off the plates and just drive it without the plates if I'm going to go on to get it smogged and registered.

Just after that, the other cop came over and noticed the tittle on the seat and he asked to see it. He left back to the police car. When he returned he told me to step out of the car and then put me in cuffs. He proceeded to put me in the back of the police car. They said the car came back as stolen. I said, "I certainly didn't steal it, why would I steal a car and then get it insured?" As it turns out, there was some kind of mix up with a similar car being stolen or something like that. They actually apologized and let me go. He told me if I get pulled over again on the way to the smog or DMV to just let them know that officer xxx just pulled you over and gave you hell. Theses particular police officers were actually fairly nice considering the situation.

As it turns out I had to go get the 30 day moving permit anyways because I could't get it smogged since I had disconnected the battery cable to install some more charging ports. I guess it needed to be driven x amount of freeway miles to reset the computer. My Wife said," I told you so, you should have just got the moving permit in the the first place."



Yes, if you are rolling around with that many ones and fives they think you are dealing crack or something like that. Some casino redemption machines will spit out a lot of $5 bills no matter how big the ticket is. The ones are from that and not consolidating as often as I should be. I was planning on paying for everything that day in ones and fives.

With stories like that now you understand why I take the bus

Quote: AxelWolf

Theses particular police officers were actually fairly nice considering the situation.

Well, they didn't accidently shoot you, so that's a plus.

Quote: rxwine

Well, they didn't accidently shoot you, so that's a plus.

If he had been black I am sure there would have been a different outcome

Quote: LuckyPhow

Keyser,

Many thanx for the link. Many interesting presentations, but no info about the actual content.

However, I did notice the three sponsors shown at the bottom of the page you provided. One, Global Gaming Business Magazine, probably organized the conference. However, it doesn't actually sell game-protection solutions to casinos. Someone has to pull everything together for conferences such as this one, and GGB seems to do this difficult job well.

The other two conference sponsors do offer game-protection solutions to casinos. I didn't drill down past the Internet home page each presents, but I saw no suggestion they helped with "audio" anything. (True, their video solutions may include audio, but audio is not specifically mentioned.)





If these two companies integrate audio into their video solutions, they appear not to mention it on their Internet home pages. However, I would have enjoyed seeing a free video of some of the conference presentations. Technology, technology everywhere, but never a free recording to view (and hear!)

Did you attend the conference? Or, did you become aware of the conference because the casino was more crowded? Or, buffet lines were so long one had to pack lunch to stand in line for dinner? Or, maybe you became aware of the conference because strangers in suits kept walking the floor and doing crazy, non-gaming stuff. ("See, George, this casino uses Effersen video housings," sez one, pointing at the ceiling.)

LuckyPhow,

You should subscribe to the webmags and alerts these industry companies provide. They're free.

I get about 3 emails a day among about 7 journals. They go to articles, conferences, gaming expos, new game profiles, etc. GGB publishes all the time. I'll try to find some websites and post them here, but just google them, CasinoJournal, gamingdaily, others around.

Quote: darkoz

If he had been black I am sure there would have been a different outcome

I have no doubt that's absolutely true. I was actually going to touch on that aspect and say, thank god I was white(both were white cops) but it was already too long of a post so I didnt mention it. Besides, nowadays, I think we are all supposed to be ashamed of being white?

Quote: AxelWolf

I have no doubt that's absolutely true. I was actually going to touch on that aspect and say, thank god I was white(both were white cops) but it was already too long of a post so I didnt mention it. Besides, nowadays, I think we are all supposed to be ashamed of being white?

Not ashamed at all.

Just recognize there are unasked for benefits

My family is mixed and I have seen my children treated in ways I never was moreso when my son was a teenager.

I came home one evening to find my own son being frisked up against the wall of my home. The cops told me he was loitering suspiciously. He had lost his keys and was waiting for me to arrive to let him in.

Another time I was on a payphone and again my son was waiting for me to finish not 5 feet away when officers began questioning him. I said, officers he with me and they nodded and said oh never mind.

WTF? He wasnt suspicious if he was with his white handler?

That's really messed up darkoz. Sorry to hear that. People have good reason to be paranoid about additional surveillance. It's not like it's something that is ever beneficial to us, and anything that negatively affects our longevity is something to be wary of. Whether you're concerned or not, evolving surveillance can only mean more work on our end.

Quote: darkoz

I definitely go through some adventures

'Adventures'? I have a different name
for them.

Quote:

Fascinating stuff for a memoir AP book

Fascinating to who, your family? You
do realize gambling books rarely make
money because the general public
could care less about gambling 'stories'.
And I've seen your story writing ability,
you need a ghost writer if you want to
sell any books. Oops, there go whatever
small profits you would make..

Quote: EvenBob

'Adventures'? I have a different name
for them.



Fascinating to who, your family? You
do realize gambling books rarely make
money because the general public
could care less about gambling 'stories'.
And I've seen your story writing ability,
you need a ghost writer if you want to
sell any books. Oops, there go whatever
small profits you would make..

Aren’t you the one with a grammar pet peeve? To Whom

Quote: AxelWolf

No such luck, a cop happen to get behind me and he DID notice.

He didn't notice, his computer did. Most
cops have plate reading software now
that reads and runs every plate it sees.
Even parked cars. Never ever ever put
plates from another vehicle on a
different car.

A lot of people try and alter their plate
so it can't be read. Big ticket for doing
that when they catch you. Has something
to do with scraping off whatever they
paint the numbers with, it makes the
plate invisible to a computer.

Quote: EvenBob

'Adventures'? I have a different name
for them.



Fascinating to who, your family? You
do realize gambling books rarely make
money because the general public
could care less about gambling 'stories'.
And I've seen your story writing ability,
you need a ghost writer if you want to
sell any books. Oops, there go whatever
small profits you would make..

All books have that problem. I will trust a publisher who reads my material for their opinion not yours

You also havent read anything besides first draft posts on a message board. Horrible way to judge a persons publishing writing skills.

Quote: darkoz

ou also havent read anything besides first draft posts on a message board. Horrible way to judge a persons publishing writing skills.

Point me to some books or articles
you've published.

Yeah, that's what I thought..

Quote: EvenBob

Point me to some books or articles
you've published.

Yeah, that's what I thought..

So you want me to doxx myself?

As has been pointed out my name and identity can be discovered because I do have some published work out there

Sorry to burst your bubble.

I reluctantly took you off block but again your sole purpose answering anything I post is to ridicule and taunt so you can be relegated back to the block function

Ridicule away. You are now talking to the block button

Quote: darkoz

because I do have some published work out there

You can be anything you want
on the internet, even a published
author. lol

Quote: EvenBob

You can be anything you want
on the internet, even a published
author. lol

And even a winning roulette master.

Quote: EvenBob

You can be anything you want
on the internet, even a published
author. lol

EB. You're moving into trolling on this. Drop it, please.

Quote: AxelWolf

And even a winning roulette master.

Much harder to pull off. I've never
seen it done successfully.

Quote: Evenbob

cops have plate reading software now
that reads and runs every plate it sees.
Even parked cars. Never ever ever put
plates from another vehicle on a
different car.

True, some jurisdictions are experimenting with plate readers, but they can't read the car model with a computer. They still have to look to see if the plate belongs on the car. Where I live, we licensed two cars at the same time and accidentally had the plates switched for years. Years later I was pulled over for speeding and the officer casually pointed it out and let me off with a warning on both the speeding and the plates. No big deal. In my state it is perfectly legal to transfer tags from one car to another. You have to pay a fee to do it. If you forget and get pulled over it's a very minor fine.

Quote: Keyser

True, some jurisdictions are experimenting with plate readers,

Some? Automatic license plate readers have been
around for years. Cities have them mounted at
intersections and they monitor every license plate
that goes by them. Police cars have Mobile ALPR
that read every license plate around them, even
parked cars.

They can go into a Walmart and drive up and down
the aisles and get every license plate in the
parking lot. Parking Authorities in many cities
use ALPR to drive up and down the streets and
it will ping when it sees a license plate that has
parking violations. I was pulled over 3 years ago
because something was wrong with my
plate. It turns out it was a mistake, but the cop
told me his ALPR pinged on my plate and they had
to pull me over.

Quote: rxwine

*EXCERPT*I don't think you can do this legally.

"Legal. Illegal. These terms don't apply."
-Morgan Freeman in SE7EN

Quote: EvenBob

Some? Automatic license plate readers have been
around for years. Cities have them mounted at
intersections and they monitor every license plate
that goes by them. Police cars have Mobile ALPR
that read every license plate around them, even
parked cars.

They can go into a Walmart and drive up and down
the aisles and get every license plate in the
parking lot. Parking Authorities in many cities
use ALPR to drive up and down the streets and
it will ping when it sees a license plate that has
parking violations. I was pulled over 3 years ago
because something was wrong with my
plate. It turns out it was a mistake, but the cop
told me his ALPR pinged on my plate and they had
to pull me over.

The automatic reader doesn't notify an officer if it's on the wrong car. It ONLY reads the plate. For example, if you have a plate on your Toyota that actually belongs on your Hummer, the auto plate reader isn't aware.

Quote: Keyser

The automatic reader doesn't notify an officer if it's on the wrong car. It ONLY reads the plate. For example, if you have a plate on your Toyota that actually belongs on your Hummer, the auto plate reader isn't aware.

Casinowise they definitely use license plate recognition software

I am aware of casinos reading EVERY license plate that enters the property and those numbers are conpared to flagged licenses from APs and other unwanted players.

The make and model of cars while logged are specifically linked to the plates. E.g. if you switched your plates the same car could be driven onto the property no problem

Quote: darkoz

Casinowise they definitely use license plate recognition software

I am aware of casinos reading EVERY license plate that enters the property and those numbers are conpared to flagged licenses from APs and other unwanted players.

The make and model of cars while logged are specifically linked to the plates. E.g. if you switched your plates the same car could be driven onto the property no problem

Fortunately for you taking the bus makes this a non issue. For the rest of us there are easy solutions.

Quote: MaxPen

Fortunately for you taking the bus makes this a non issue. For the rest of us there are easy solutions.

Parking at the bus depot and riding the bus in:)

Some casinos have them, but they're not always accurate because of mud and tints on some license covers.

I like to rely on Uber when out of state for casino entry.

In Vegas, a lot of times, it would be possible to park in one casino lot and walk to the one you're actually playing in, if you really need to be unnoticed. (and the exercise wouldn't hurt most people).