darkoz
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February 16th, 2019 at 2:10:16 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Which makes PERFECT SENSE.



Agreed!

Im not advocating cheat moves

Only pointing out the seriousness of Marylands lack of laws such that cheating currently does not lead to prosecution

I am certain they will fix it soon
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March 6th, 2019 at 8:20:19 AM permalink
UPDATE:

MGM did not want to hand over how much their cheating losses were at National Harbor which has hurt their chances of criminalizing cheat moves in Maryland

The Aria in Vegas had 6 cheats caught compared to 153 at National Harbor the same time period

The Aria 6 faced jail time. None of the National Harbor 153 did.

A roulette team using non-denom chips scam got barred in Maryland (all they could do) while getting 2 years in prison somewhere else

Here is the update link https://www.usbets.com/mgm-national-harbor-casino-cheating-legislation/
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rdw4potus
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March 6th, 2019 at 9:51:43 AM permalink
There is no requirement that the state passes a new law. There is no requirement that the state list, in ridiculous detail, the nature in which crimes are committed in order for those things to be crimes. Fraud is fraud. Theft is theft...
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March 6th, 2019 at 10:12:21 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

There is no requirement that the state passes a new law. There is no requirement that the state list, in ridiculous detail, the nature in which crimes are committed in order for those things to be crimes. Fraud is fraud. Theft is theft...



Thank Heaven thats not true

Many casinos consider card counting theft. And promo hunting fraud. And using your spouses promos theft and fraud.

We would be having a lot of prosecutions for fraud and theft if it was not specifically spelled out and delineated.

There are simply too many thing people "see" as theft that are not for the law to be ambiguous about it

The problem ib Maryland is they are not delineating the illegality of cheat moves established as crimes elsewhere

Another problem with the "theft is theft" argument is for example "prostitution is prostitution" okay thats true but prostitution is legal in some areas. Just because its a crime to do something in your neck of the woods does not make it a crime everywhere
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March 6th, 2019 at 10:20:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thank God thats not true

Many casinos consider card counting theft. And promo hunting theft. And using your spouses promos theft

We would be having a lot of prosecutions for fraud and theft if it was not specifically spelled out and delineated.

There are simply too many thing people "see" as theft that are not for the law to be ambiguous about it

The problem ib Maryland is they are not delineating the illegality of cheat moves established as crimes elsewhere

Another problem with the "theft is theft" argument is for example "prostitution is prostitution" okay thats true but prostitution is legal in some areas. Just because its a crime to do something in your neck of the woods does not make it a crime everywhere



In your interpretation of Maryland's current statutes on fraud and theft, past posting and bet capping are not just obviously crimes? Really? There needs to be additional regulation before it's clear that adding a fake bet in order to receive unearned funds is illegal?
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March 6th, 2019 at 10:23:00 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

In your interpretation of Maryland's current statutes on fraud and theft, past posting and bet capping are not just obviously crimes? Really? There needs to be additional regulation before it's clear that adding a fake bet in order to receive unearned funds is illegal?



That is not my interpretation

Thats the way it is

Or are you suggesting the articles being written about it in the Maryland press are just interpretations of my own? Are you suggesting I am writing all the articles about it in the newspapers?
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March 6th, 2019 at 10:29:53 AM permalink
If you believe bet capping is a crime without having to specify it in statute form then the next question is...

Once caught what is the penalty?

Bet capping ... 20 years to life?

Marking cards ... 6 months suspended sentence?

Baccarat scam resulting in millions lost treated same as $50 bet cap crime?

The reason you must delineate everything under statute form even for crimes that should be obvious is because circumstances and even intent dictate penalties. Judges must be given guidelines or you will see murderers serve 5 years and bet cappers serving 20 years.

Even with murder intent (first degree intentional or 3rd degree crime of passion) must be delineated in statute form.

The law is anal for a reason. Maryland isnt being anal enough is the problem here
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:15:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If you believe bet capping is a crime without having to specify it in statute form then the next question is...

Once caught what is the penalty?

Bet capping ... 20 years to life?

Marking cards ... 6 months suspended sentence?

Baccarat scam resulting in millions lost treated same as $50 bet cap crime?

The reason you must delineate everything under statute form even for crimes that should be obvious is because circumstances and even intent dictate penalties. Judges must be given guidelines or you will see murderers serve 5 years and bet cappers serving 20 years.

Even with murder intent (first degree intentional or 3rd degree crime of passion) must be delineated in statute form.

The law is anal for a reason. Maryland isnt being anal enough is the problem here



You think there aren't existing sentencing guidelines under existing theft and fraud statues? There are... And, the article you posted even says that the stateís casinos can apply the law on the books related to theft generally. So it's a totally-unsafe not-at-all-good idea to pretend that these things are currently legal. Bet capping and past posting have clearly identifiable monetary values that can be used to mete out punishment under existing statutes and guidelines. I guess the state could make those things felonies where the values might make them misdemeanors now; but, again, that doesn't make them legal activities now.
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March 6th, 2019 at 12:08:46 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

You think there aren't existing sentencing guidelines under existing theft and fraud statues? There are... And, the article you posted even says that the stateís casinos can apply the law on the books related to theft generally. So it's a totally-unsafe not-at-all-good idea to pretend that these things are currently legal. Bet capping and past posting have clearly identifiable monetary values that can be used to mete out punishment under existing statutes and guidelines. I guess the state could make those things felonies where the values might make them misdemeanors now; but, again, that doesn't make them legal activities now.



Casinos dont apply laws.

So you seem to feel the articles are lying and a waste of time

The meetings of the legislature are a waste of time

The MGM representative is wasting his time

Its all settled. Everyone is just wasting their time
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rdw4potus
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March 6th, 2019 at 12:12:30 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Casinos dont apply laws.

So you seem to feel the articles are lying and a waste of time

The meetings of the legislature are a waste of time

The MGM representative is wasting his time

Its all settled. Everyone is just wasting their time



What are you even talking about? Casinos definitely don't apply laws. Neither do homeowners. That doesn't mean I don't have legal recourse if you rob my home...
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