UTH Ban warning recived
January 1st, 2019 at 4:43:31 PM
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I’ve been warned by the casino that they will ban me from playing the game if I continue to assist other players in their decision making. They said considering my winning percentage and providing guidance to players that goes against the house, they said the casino is much better off without me. Whenever there are players new to the game, it slows the game down since they are constantly asking what to do. I guess the casino does not like that. But yet it’s okay for the dealer to tell the player what to do? I’m just trying to speed up the game. Thankfully it’s just a warning, I can easily play letting others or the dealers to assist new or novice players. I often get asked why I don’t play trips by all the players and I respond by telling them it’s a suckers bet and the casino does not like me discouraging them from playing it. But actually I encourage it as the trips wager is better suited for players who do not know when to bet 4 times.
It’s the off season for me teaching motorcycle safety as a 2nd job so I’ve been playing about 20 hrs a week. I may go try other casinos as a change of scenery.
It’s the off season for me teaching motorcycle safety as a 2nd job so I’ve been playing about 20 hrs a week. I may go try other casinos as a change of scenery.
January 1st, 2019 at 5:37:43 PM
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You must be a big help to players, or a big mouth in front of the dealer. Play your own game is the casino advice.
January 1st, 2019 at 5:47:47 PM
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It's not the dealer as they often ask me, but yes, you are correct, play my own game. No different than BJ, but there will always be players not knowing what they are doing hitting against a 6.
January 1st, 2019 at 6:23:43 PM
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But it's their money. Let them do what they want. It doesn't harm you.
January 1st, 2019 at 6:28:44 PM
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Sounds like they are also a bit salty and taking it personal that you hit a royal? Someone has to, crazy. I’d probably consider finding somewhere else to play if they’re being petty aholes about it.
January 1st, 2019 at 6:44:29 PM
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I've hit two Royals, but many others have well. They understand I'm a poker player who has adapted to this game very well and they just don't want me to help out other players, which is fine. More they lose, more that they can let me win. I usually keep track of their drops and who wins and losses, so I often know exactly how we much the table is making on a particular shift.. Last night during swing, there were only 4 players who left as winners.
January 2nd, 2019 at 6:46:58 AM
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Would you be able to tell us where this happened ?
January 2nd, 2019 at 9:13:47 AM
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I doubt this has anything to do with any previous times you won or how good you think you are. You are probably annoying the Staff and/or other guests.
Just like in Blackjack, you are supposed to play your own hand. You are not even supposed to see other players hands in UTH as you can reduce the house edge by knowing other players cards.
You can teach people how to play (if they ask you for help first) without telling them how to play.
ZCore13
Just like in Blackjack, you are supposed to play your own hand. You are not even supposed to see other players hands in UTH as you can reduce the house edge by knowing other players cards.
You can teach people how to play (if they ask you for help first) without telling them how to play.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
January 2nd, 2019 at 11:07:22 AM
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+1, totally. Casinos want to have winners, but not annoying winners.Quote: Zcore13I doubt this has anything to do with any previous times you won or how good you think you are. You are probably annoying the Staff and/or other guests.
Just like in Blackjack, you are supposed to play your own hand. You are not even supposed to see other players hands in UTH as you can reduce the house edge by knowing other players cards.
You can teach people how to play (if they ask you for help first) without telling them how to play.
ZCore13
January 2nd, 2019 at 11:59:44 AM
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As I had stated, a new player sits down, announces they have never played the game and show their cards and asks for advice, I and the dealer tells them what to do. Overall just trying to speed up the game. Especially New Years Eve, where it was tough to fund an open seat, almost every player who sat down had never played the game. Pretty frustrating playing with players who slow down the game.
January 2nd, 2019 at 12:02:29 PM
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Quote: VegasriderAs I had stated, a new player sits down, announces they have never played the game and show their cards and asks for advice, I and the dealer tells them what to do. Overall just trying to speed up the game. Especially New Years Eve, where it was tough to fund an open seat, almost every player who sat down had never played the game. Pretty frustrating playing with players who slow down the game.
I can see the casino backing you off because of the helping others and seeing others cards thing.
But part of the back off reason being that you won at a game with an impossible to overcome house edge is the tough thing to understand. You don’t see many people backed off for being lucky
January 2nd, 2019 at 12:28:57 PM
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Quote: michael99000I can see the casino backing you off because of the helping others and seeing others cards thing.
But part of the back off reason being that you won at a game with an impossible to overcome house edge is the tough thing to understand. You don’t see many people backed off for being lucky
Yes, the house has their 2% edge so I agree that they are not backing me off for that and I do have losing sessions. Note to myself, never ask the c asino to ooen up the game for me, I suffered my worst lost when I did that. I think they just want to maximize the tables win, but at the end of the day, almost all the players go broke because I don't provide advice for every hand they play.
Puzzling as you often see players asking what to do in Pai Gow. I thinks it's a very similar game to Pai Gow, what the other player decides to do has zero outcome of my hand so asking for advice should be harmless. It's not that I'm an annoying winner, I'm just too helpful in the eyes of the casino. I don't have an issue with the staff, overall they are very friendly, even the shift supervisor who gave me the warning. I've been giving them tons of action the past 5 months, they have gotten to know me well.
January 2nd, 2019 at 12:33:42 PM
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But , for example, when they want to bet 3x in UTH do you tell them "if it is worth betting at all, you bet the max, 4x?" or somesuch?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 2nd, 2019 at 1:14:32 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitBut , for example, when they want to bet 3x in UTH do you tell them "if it is worth betting at all, you bet the max, 4x?" or somesuch?
If they show their card, and ask what they should do, I tell them bet 4X, or check if you don't want to bet.
January 2nd, 2019 at 4:19:13 PM
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I'm sure you know very many players, easily the majority, will bet 3x consistently except for maybe the best hands. It's possible some pit boss realized you are hurting the house.Quote: VegasriderIf they show their card, and ask what they should do, I tell them bet 4X, or check if you don't want to bet.
However, I would still think it was something else you do that irritates them.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 2nd, 2019 at 4:25:22 PM
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Quote: michael99000I can see the casino backing you off because of the helping others and seeing others cards thing.
But part of the back off reason being that you won at a game with an impossible to overcome house edge is the tough thing to understand. You don’t see many people backed off for being lucky
Well if it’s hard to get a seat, the casino prefers someone that doesn’t know basic UTH strategy. Huge differences in HE.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 2nd, 2019 at 4:49:12 PM
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I have a feeling the casino staff might tell a different version of this story. My best guess, hearing only one version, is you were slowing down the game or being too forceful with your advice. I doubt your previous wins and losses had much to do with it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 2nd, 2019 at 5:24:42 PM
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Quote: unJonWell if it’s hard to get a seat, the casino prefers someone that doesn’t know basic UTH strategy. Huge differences in HE.
I've never worked at or played in a casino where any Staff cares if a player plays perfect basic strategy. Many places allow you to have a strategy card.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
January 2nd, 2019 at 5:32:11 PM
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Quote: unJonWell if it’s hard to get a seat, the casino prefers someone that doesn’t know basic UTH strategy. Huge differences in HE.
Prefers bad players .. probably.
Will physically back off a player just because they know how to play correctly ... probably not
January 2nd, 2019 at 6:02:41 PM
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Quote: michael99000Prefers bad players .. probably.
Will physically back off a player just because they know how to play correctly ... probably not
Don’t disagree, but it explains the “winning percentage” comment in the OP. Possibly just a toss in from the person giving the “back off.”
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 2nd, 2019 at 6:17:28 PM
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I played about ten hours, there were only 5 winners including myself. The drop was the highest I've seen during a shift. I sit at 3rd base so I can count the chips that represent the buy ins vs against who leaves with chips or go broke.
Very similar if you were playing live poker, if you start the game, you know who's winning, whose stuck or leaves as a winner.
Very similar if you were playing live poker, if you start the game, you know who's winning, whose stuck or leaves as a winner.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:44:06 AM
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I've never played UTH before. I went to the local website to play and it would suggest how I should play each hand, but I didn't know why. I had to find a strategy page and crib note that. I had to learn about Common Jackpots and Small Progressives and what the break even jackpots were. What table limits are and how they affect your 500 to 1 payouts. I had to learn that trips payouts vary by casino.
I was down $300 playing $5 on Ante, Blind, and Trips then won it back when I raised my bets to $10 Ante & Blind, and betting 4X on Play. Winning your money back on Play bets is key because most hands lose. I expect huge tax liabilities on 300+ to 1 wins.
If I just walked up to a table with no clue how to play strategy, I probably should have left before I played 10 hands.
When I'm betting $10 on Ante & Blind, that's $20; then 4X on Play makes a $60 total bet; or 2X on Play makes a $40 total bet; or 1X on Play makes a $30 total bet. I didn't mean to spend that much anyway, unless I was coming in deep stacked.
I was down $300 playing $5 on Ante, Blind, and Trips then won it back when I raised my bets to $10 Ante & Blind, and betting 4X on Play. Winning your money back on Play bets is key because most hands lose. I expect huge tax liabilities on 300+ to 1 wins.
If I just walked up to a table with no clue how to play strategy, I probably should have left before I played 10 hands.
When I'm betting $10 on Ante & Blind, that's $20; then 4X on Play makes a $60 total bet; or 2X on Play makes a $40 total bet; or 1X on Play makes a $30 total bet. I didn't mean to spend that much anyway, unless I was coming in deep stacked.
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January 3rd, 2019 at 5:09:09 AM
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Sitting down at a UTH table, not playing trips and then raising Q8 4x is an immediate red flag to everyone watching. People think there is actually something wrong with you or you don’t know how to play correctly. I had one dealer legitimately be concerned for me and tried to explain that the trips bet is where the money is. God forbid you’re playing HUH and get pocket aces. You’re going to hear it from everyone.
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:03:17 AM
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Quote: SandybestdogSitting down at a UTH table, not playing trips and then raising Q8 4x is an immediate red flag to everyone watching. People think there is actually something wrong with you or you don’t know how to play correctly. I had one dealer legitimately be concerned for me and tried to explain that the trips bet is where the money is. God forbid you’re playing HUH and get pocket aces. You’re going to hear it from everyone.
Yes, Q8 or K7 you get a lot of strange reactions from everyone. I don't play trips. But I recommend playing trips for players who do not know when to bet 4X as I'm essentially receiving a straight payout on those hands if I were playing trips.
As for as the blind bets, quads, straight or royal flush are much more common in this game vs traditional live poker games because you are playing every hand and you are running them to the river. Plus there is mo rake, and you don't have to tip the dealer after winning. Not that I don't tip, but nothing like playing live. This is why I like to play fast and do everything possible to speed the game up.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:15:49 PM
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When I visit casinos, I frequently open the UTH table as the first player, often around midday, when the casino is significantly less crowded. If a passerby stops to watch me play, I invite them to join me: "Here I am, having to defend the Alamo all by myself alone against this giant casino. I need reinforcements!" This usually gets them to tell me if they don't know how to play, in which case I invite them to watch me. If my onlooker knows Texas Hold'em poker, I tell them, "This is Texas Hold'em played heads up against the dealer, with a few special rules."
Since I don't often play regular Texas Hold'em poker, this is a "selling point" I had not considered. I'll probably just note the House collects no rake in UTH, while in regular poker the House sometimes collects more than one rake (for promotional jackpots, etc.)
Quite right. If the onlooker is still with me after my comment on the rake, they are likely to understand this as an advantage. When you go "all in" (4x) with a great hand, the dealer never folds.
Many thanx for calling my attention to these aspects of the game. I enjoy explaining UTH to folks, and your comments highlight points I overlooked previously.
Quote: Vegasrider... there is mo rake, and you don't have to tip the dealer after winning.
Since I don't often play regular Texas Hold'em poker, this is a "selling point" I had not considered. I'll probably just note the House collects no rake in UTH, while in regular poker the House sometimes collects more than one rake (for promotional jackpots, etc.)
Quote: Vegasrider... As for as the blind bets, quads, straight or royal flush are much more common in this game vs traditional live poker games because you are playing every hand and you are running them to the river.
Quite right. If the onlooker is still with me after my comment on the rake, they are likely to understand this as an advantage. When you go "all in" (4x) with a great hand, the dealer never folds.
Many thanx for calling my attention to these aspects of the game. I enjoy explaining UTH to folks, and your comments highlight points I overlooked previously.
January 5th, 2019 at 8:42:52 AM
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Quote: VegasriderIt's not the dealer as they often ask me, but yes, you are correct, play my own game. No different than BJ, but there will always be players not knowing what they are doing hitting against a 6.
They would be much better off to not take your advice to never hit against a 6.
January 10th, 2019 at 8:40:04 AM
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Vegas I have played this game for many years (68 straight flushes) and I know your feelings to move the game along. Although loosely enforced it is not legal to share information. Because of this I have told other players that I will not give them info during the hand but will give them any help between hands. This works well with people that DO want to learn. The casinos have been appreciative of this. I find when you give advice players will turn to you with J,4 and ask what to do, obviously not thinking on their own.
