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September 12th, 2018 at 6:58:43 AM permalink
This is at the MGM Springfield

Same company (INbet) that created the Super 4 Blackjack sidebet. This is the Baccarat version of the Super 4 with Stax Progressive

4 progressives are available color coded at the table I saw but named Star, Spade, Heart, and I believe Diamond. The top progressive Star was atb$54,000 when I was there

Player makes a $5 Royal 9 wager

A Royal 9 is a 9 with any Royalty card (Jack, Queen, or King).

The lowest progressive was a must-hit by $500. It randomly hits at a particular meter amount and anyone with a wager at that time at that table wins (Not clear on if the win is the the full amount posted for each person or its shared with whoever wins)

The normal game of Baccarat is dealt however anyone with a Royal 9 sidebet is also dealt his own personal Baccarat hand (in order to simulate the Poker hand aspect of the Super 4)

Here is the rules page for the wins



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September 12th, 2018 at 8:58:36 AM permalink
"Each player has their own personal progressive combination" Does that mean that player must specify one of these three: K9s, Q9s or J9s, and that only that combination counts for winning the progressives?"

Also, can you complete the sentence that is clipped off in the photo: "Player AND Banker match hand on any se. . . "
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September 12th, 2018 at 9:19:54 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

This is at the MGM Springfield

Same company (INbet) that created the Super 4 Blackjack sidebet. This is the Baccarat version of the Super 4 with Stax Progressive

4 progressives are available color coded at the table I saw but named Star, Spade, Heart, and I believe Diamond. The top progressive Star was atb$54,000 when I was there

Player makes a $5 Royal 9 wager

A Royal 9 is a 9 with any Royalty card (Jack, Queen, or King).

The lowest progressive was a must-hit by $500. It randomly hits at a particular meter amount and anyone with a wager at that time at that table wins (Not clear on if the win is the the full amount posted for each person or its shared with whoever wins)

The normal game of Baccarat is dealt however anyone with a Royal 9 sidebet is also dealt his own personal Baccarat hand (in order to simulate the Poker hand aspect of the Super 4)

Here is the rules page for the wins





Wow. This looks awful.
darkoz
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September 12th, 2018 at 9:44:13 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

"Each player has their own personal progressive combination" Does that mean that player must specify one of these three: K9s, Q9s or J9s, and that only that combination counts for winning the progressives?"

Also, can you complete the sentence that is clipped off in the photo: "Player AND Banker match hand on any se. . . "



Oh sorry. "Any seat"

So if you bet Royal 9 and another person has a hand that matches the Player And Banker you win $5,000

I wish now I had played because there are a few questions arising. Do the other players all receive personal hands regardless of if they placed the Royal 9 bet or only if they placed the bet (significantly alters the chances of winning that $5,000 payout)

I got the impression "personal progressive combination" simlply meant everyone gets a personal baccarat hand.

Sorry, I didnt study it enough. Should have spoken to the dealer. With so many questions that are not intuitively answered this bet is probably doomed
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September 12th, 2018 at 9:52:56 AM permalink
Reading it over I believe personal progressive combinations means:

Each person receives a personal Baccarat hand

Therefore if YOUR hand matches both the dealer and banker Star progressive no one else can have a matching combination i.e. its only possible for one player to win any progressive at a time

Anyone going to MGM Springfield soon to ask these questions?
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September 12th, 2018 at 10:45:04 AM permalink
At this point, I think I'll wait for G2E and hope it is displayed there. I don't understand all the rules as presented here.
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September 12th, 2018 at 11:23:59 AM permalink
Here it is in better detail: http://playags.com/portfolio/royal-9-baccarat-progressive/

Each player spot has a printed (different) K-9 combination.
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September 12th, 2018 at 12:37:48 PM permalink
Here are my results so far, based on an eight-deck shoe and six total player spots. The pays have been divided by 5, to show the win relative to a $5 bet.

Event Pays Combinations Probability Return
Player and Banker hand match layout hand exactly Star progressive 3,136 0.00000042 ?
Banker hand matches layout hand exactly Spade progressive 5,468,288 0.00074100 ?
Player hand matches layout hand exactly Heart progressive 5,468,288 0.00074100 ?
Player and Banker hands match other layout hand (exactly?) 1000 15,680 0.00000212 0.002125
Player and Banker have a Suited royal 9 300 566,016 0.00007670 0.023010
Player and Banker have a Royal 9 50 8,871,168 0.00120212 0.060106
Player or Banker have a suited Royal 9 10 130,748,160 0.01771755 0.177176
Player or Banker have a Royal 9 5 385,071,360 0.05218064 0.260903
Total 536,212,096 0.07266157 0.523320


One hand I'm not sure if is the "Player and Banker hands match other layout hand." I assume that is an exact match (in rank and suit), but when I assume that my return from that line item is only 0.2%. If I assume a suit match is not required, the return is too high.
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September 12th, 2018 at 2:33:30 PM permalink
So, until you count progressives the HE is 47.6? How does one figure the HE on a progressive, anyway?

Don't a lot of baccarat players care a LOT about using up extra cards for a sidebet? I know the larger games will deal free hands if the players ask for them, but this seems like a lot of joss used up on 9s and monkeys. IDK.
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September 14th, 2018 at 11:02:44 AM permalink
I just finished my new page on Royal 9. Please have a look. As always, I welcome all comments, questions, suggestions, and especially corrections.
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September 14th, 2018 at 2:45:52 PM permalink
So whats the house edge. As steep as you first thought?
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September 14th, 2018 at 3:03:11 PM permalink
Tray pay is 52%, jackpot about 24%, house edge about 24% (must be less than 25% in Vegas).
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September 14th, 2018 at 4:19:12 PM permalink
I hope I'm not revealing anything I'm not supposed to, but the GLI report indicated the jackpot seeds and contribution rates. The bottom line is a house edge of 20%, on average.
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September 15th, 2018 at 3:22:51 AM permalink
Only winning 7 out of 100 bets seems like you're just throwing money away. Why do casinos bother?
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June 15th, 2021 at 10:14:53 PM permalink
Found a video that shows a Baccarat table that offers the K-9 bet. On the table layout is a different suited K-9 in front of each player, so supposedly there's only one suited winner per hand. Nobody was making a $5 bet, but the jackpot could be pretty high. Typically when I look at poker opening hands, there's 13 x 13 or 169 hands. With a pair of cards decided by suit, I guess it's 1/52 x 1/51 = 1/2652 on whether 2 cards dealt will even show up and match your felt designation.

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February 15th, 2022 at 3:31:00 PM permalink
Hi, was wondering if there was an update to the table for chances of hitting the biggest jackpot (ie. K-9 K-9, Q-9 Q-9, or J-9 J-9 that both match the players personal hand)?

Is it 1 in ~2.45 million?
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