FinsRule
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January 18th, 2018 at 6:35:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, I have a first draft done on my new page on Face Up Pai Gow Poker. Please click the link and have a look. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections. Thank you.

My question is how the house edge is calculated. I know you said earlier you ran a simulation. Does it actually simulate every single possible hand?

It seems like the bonus bet calculation is simply the odds of each player individually getting an A high pai gow multiplied together. This may be anecdotal, but it seems like that one person having a pai gow increases the odds of another person having a pai gow. Obviously this won't overcome the high house edge, but maybe it puts a dent in it?
Wizard

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January 18th, 2018 at 6:57:16 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

My question is how the house edge is calculated. I know you said earlier you ran a simulation. Does it actually simulate every single possible hand?

Thanks for asking. I just added this remark to the page, "The analysis above is the result of a simulation of over 900 million pairs of random hands. A Fisher-Yates shuffle was done between rounds, which used a Mersenne Twister random number generator. "

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It seems like the bonus bet calculation is simply the odds of each player individually getting an A high pai gow multiplied together. This may be anecdotal, but it seems like that one person having a pai gow increases the odds of another person having a pai gow. Obviously this won't overcome the high house edge, but maybe it puts a dent in it?

Actually, if one hand is an ace-high pai gow, it slightly decreased the chances another hand will be. I assume this is because there is one ace removed from the deck. I haven't actually played the game yet, but I don't think the player is allowed to make the side bet after seeing the dealer's hand.
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FCBLComish
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January 19th, 2018 at 12:40:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I haven't actually played the game yet, but I don't think the player is allowed to make the side bet after seeing the dealer's hand.

No Wiz, all side bets are made before seeing the dealer's hand. Nice try though :)
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boymimbo
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January 19th, 2018 at 2:29:36 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My figure assumes the player plays whatever way will result in the best outcome against the exposed dealer hand, of course.

I think you'd want to use the NYNY house way which would mimic MGM's I am guessing.
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ams288
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January 19th, 2018 at 3:26:25 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I think you'd want to use the NYNY house way which would mimic MGM's I am guessing.

Yes. MGM and NYNY have the same house way.

They keep two pairs of sixes and under together no matter what. That is their weirdest rule, but I kind of like it. Sometimes you get two little pairs together on the bottom with like a 9,6 on top.
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Wizard

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January 19th, 2018 at 3:34:01 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I think you'd want to use the NYNY house way which would mimic MGM's I am guessing.

If I had it and had the inclination to modify hundreds of lines of code, I might want.
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boymimbo
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January 19th, 2018 at 4:21:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If I had it and had the inclination to modify hundreds of lines of code, I might want.

Well you have the house way posted at WoO for MGM.
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bitcoin
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January 30th, 2018 at 1:14:58 PM permalink
Yes there is a progressive bet on the game. It works just like regular paigow. I love this game, you get to see the cards first and there is no 5% commission.
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January 30th, 2018 at 1:19:11 PM permalink
yes there is a progressive on the game. It's \$2 for the progressive at thunder valley, and it's \$1 progressive at GSR in Reno. Those are the two casinos that i play.
PGBuster
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