ams288
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January 18th, 2018 at 8:35:36 AM permalink
Never underestimate the stupidity of some gamblers.

The 2nd time I played this, there was one hand where the dealer had a King high pai gow with QJ on top.

Of course, we all saw this before we set our hands.

The lady next to me played a pair of aces on the bottom with J-8 on top and pushed the hand. I asked why she didn't split her aces to win the hand, and she got kinda pissy and said "I don't play that way."

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January 18th, 2018 at 9:08:45 AM permalink
The splitting of a single high pair is a bonus in this game (not regular PGP), but alot of people who don't really understand the concept don't do it right.

Example: dealer has a Q h Pai Gow and you have a pair of Kings with low cards behind.

- Some people just won't fathom the idea of splitting and will take the push (seen this)
- Some people will split the pair but will forget that the two card hand < five card hand. Example: Dealar Q high Pai Gow. Player: K-K-J-T-5-3-2. Player sets K-J / K-T-5-3-2, fouls the hand and loses (seen this, harsh). The hand has to be K-T / K-J-5-3-2.

In fact in this game I always set my front hand at "just enough to beat the dealer" rather than the best possible hand just to emphasize the rules in my own head that the goal is to win. So for example if the dealer is playing a Q-T in the front, I might put a Q-J in the front even if I have a K or A I could put up there.
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January 18th, 2018 at 9:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Never underestimate the stupidity of some gamblers.

The 2nd time I played this, there was one hand where the dealer had a King high pai gow with QJ on top.

Of course, we all saw this before we set our hands.

The lady next to me played a pair of aces on the bottom with J-8 on top and pushed the hand. I asked why she didn't split her aces to win the hand, and she got kinda pissy and said "I don't play that way." ...

lol... I have too many thoughts/remarks. Just wow.
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January 18th, 2018 at 12:37:36 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

The site says it's 1.60%. I'm going to head over to Thunder Valley tomorrow or Saturday and ask them about their house way which may help you run your simulation a bit better. Mind you the NYNY house way might be different and I would assume you would follow the house way that you have published at WoO for MGM Grand.



I think its unlikely that a difference in the house way would lower the house edge by 0.2%, unless they are playing 2 pair very stupidly.
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boymimbo
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January 18th, 2018 at 1:17:31 PM permalink
Kind of agree.

Quote: WoO, Foxwoods House Ways


The Simple Dealer-Banker Strategy has a house edge of 2.6892% when the dealer is banking. For comparison, the House Way has a house edge of 2.7212%, and optimal strategy has a house edge of 2.5122%.



So you can improve your house edge by .2% playing optimally vs houseway/houseway. The Wizard's calculation would be more accurate if he used the house way as determined by the casino. It can only help.
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January 18th, 2018 at 2:44:10 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

The site says it's 1.60%. I'm going to head over to Thunder Valley tomorrow or Saturday and ask them about their house way which may help you run your simulation a bit better. Mind you the NYNY house way might be different and I would assume you would follow the house way that you have published at WoO for MGM Grand.



Yeah, it may depend a little on the house way. I used the one from the Trump Plaza.
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January 18th, 2018 at 2:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

So you can improve your house edge by .2% playing optimally vs houseway/houseway. The Wizard's calculation would be more accurate if he used the house way as determined by the casino. It can only help.



My figure assumes the player plays whatever way will result in the best outcome against the exposed dealer hand, of course.
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January 18th, 2018 at 3:55:24 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Never underestimate the stupidity of some gamblers.



Wasn't it Einstein who said that the 2 most prevalent elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity?
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January 18th, 2018 at 5:51:50 PM permalink
The casino doesn't care about intelligent play they just want FAST play so the house edge can grind exceeding small. Face up and no commission stuff always means TIME savings for the casino.
No need to track commissions, no need to prove them for the camera.,, saves the casino money.
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January 18th, 2018 at 6:08:59 PM permalink
Okay, I have a first draft done on my new page on Face Up Pai Gow Poker. Please click the link and have a look. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections. Thank you.
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