Neutrino
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July 4th, 2017 at 12:07:05 PM permalink
Quote: Tree

AP anything long enough, and you'll win. Win anywhere long enough and you'll get backed off



So, why don't they bac off bacaratt players? I see Bac players all the time winning 10k+ and I've even had a few of them tell me that they are consistent winners at the game.
Boz
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July 4th, 2017 at 12:22:24 PM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

So, why don't they bac off bacaratt players? I see Bac players all the time winning 10k+ and I've even had a few of them tell me that they are consistent winners at the game.



A: They are lying
B: For everyone winning 10k+ you are missing the guy losing 100k+
C: The game cannot be beat consistently without an edge or flaw like a Phil Ivey found.

Feel free to mix the answers anyway you want. They are interchangeable.
Neutrino
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July 4th, 2017 at 12:49:21 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I'm probably an idiot when it comes to AP, but for PaiGow, the power cards are the Aces, Kings and Jokers. Cards in PaiGow are of course markable because you can handle them. Dealers will sometimes show at least one of their cards if they are not careful. There's edge-sorting available too. And if there is the dragon hand that you can take after you look at the cards it will give you an advantage if you collude with the other players (know their cards) and know how many high cards the dealer has.

So there are alot of ways for PGP to be vulnerable. If you know where the Aces, Joker and King are you know what the odds are of the dealer having an high card in the back, enough probably to overcome the 2% advantage. By taking the dragon hand or not taking it, you can have an advantage if you have knowledge of what is in the dragon hand and dealer hand.

Without a dragon hand, however, the only thing you can do is manipulate your own cards based on partial knowledge of the dealer's hand and vary the setting of your hands where possible (when you have two pair and high cards, for example). I am not sure whether this is enough to overcome a HA.

I'm just thinking about the ways that PGP is exploitable. I guess post betting is possible too but sleight of hand is not for the faint of heart. There are a few casinos that let you manipulate your bet amount after the cards come out but those are few and far between I imagine.



You are right, PGP is AP'able although it's not as easy as blackjack. Which is why I was hoping to see if the lack of heat in PGP in comparison to BJ makes up for its additional difficulty to AP

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