Best low bankroll table games ? (outside Vegas)
I am also excluding Vegas because due to the sheer amount of gaming in one geographical location there are some game offerings which are not really offered anywhere else. Also considering how well surveyed and reviewed it is, its easier find a game that meets your criteria in advance of your trip. This is more along the lines of you find yourself in a random casino in the USA, which specific games would you look for to see if they have.
A $5 minimum 3 card poker table playing the ante / play bet only will probably also keep you in the game for quite awhile, though in this case you have to be OK if you get dealt one of the big hands without any money on the (normally high house edge) bonus bets.
It probably goes without saying, but busy tables will have a slower pace of play.
Quote: DiscreteMaths2Any trends you guys have noticed in certain games being offered cheaper than others ?
In my area you don't find Pai Gow Poker for less than $20 minimum. The other games I mentioned (craps, 3CP) can be found all the time for $5-$10.
My second choice, which is a lot more likely to be available, would be Baccarat. Most mini-bac tables have a $5 minimum, $10 at the most. I'd look for a crowded table to slow the action down, and bet banker every time, and, again, sit out a hand or two every now and then.
This chart on the Odds site:
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
Has LiR at about 52 hands per hour, but my guesstimate in terms of personal experience, is probably more like in the mid-high 30's. That's with me as the only one at the table, I actually show some courtesy and play faster if I am not the only one, so two people would move faster than just me, but three would move slower than just me. Just like PGP, the game actually seems pretty boring to deal, so the dealers are usually pretty likely to BS with you if you are the type (I am) to enjoy BSing with dealers.
Same thing if I am the only one playing PGP, I probably slow that game down to twenty HPH if I am by myself.
Unfortunately, you can't necessarily find either/both of those games everywhere anymore. I've seen casinos that don't even have a table for them, let alone an open one. If you do find it, it'll usually be at a $10 minimum if other games are $5, but sometimes they'll also be at $5.
Quote: beachbumbabsI know a non-nevada casino that deals 3cp, lir, ddp, msp, hcf, and deuces/joker for $2 min, and 3:2bj and pgp for $5 min, they have Caribbean stud but not sure if it's 2 or 5, also craps and roulette @ 5. All regular paytables and good rules, no surcharges, no rush; they welcome white chip play. PM me for location if you need it.
And it wants to stay secret?
How about just a hint as to what region?
Quote: beachbumbabsI know a non-nevada casino that deals 3cp, lir, ddp, msp, hcf, and deuces/joker for $2 min, and 3:2bj and pgp for $5 min, they have Caribbean stud but not sure if it's 2 or 5, also craps and roulette @ 5. All regular paytables and good rules, no surcharges, no rush; they welcome white chip play. PM me for location if you need it.
Treasure Bay in Biloxi!
Quote: DeMangoTreasure Bay in Biloxi!
Bingo!
And, for $2 craps, I believe the Palace (non-smoking) casino in Biloxi has it (at least mornings and early afternoons). But, their table games are all $5 minimum, if I recall correctly.
Plus, Boomtown Casino advertises $3 minimum bet on "select" table games at "select" times on "select" days. With no on-site hotel, it caters to the (oh-so-poor) locals, don'cher know.
I'm counting the days until the end of this month when I'll be back in Biloxi to check it all out.
Quote: RomesHonestly, your best bet to maximize your table hours and have a small potential for winning is actual poker. Play tight (only the better hands) and just be aggressive when you actually have the best of it. Some very quick and simple research online can give you the basics and from there just avoid the fancy stuff (bluffing, hero calling, semi-bluffing, etc, etc). Should be able to sit at a table for hours and hours on end, though not sure if you're the type to enjoy watching the action and conversating while dragging the occasional pot or not.
What games and table limits and are you talking cash games or tournament play ? Browsing through likely places I might end up I see stuff like $50ish no limit holdem tournaments, $1/$2 no limit holdem $75 buy in, $2/$4 Limit Holdem $20 buy in, $3/$6 Mixed $30 buy in, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $200 buy in, and some stud games but they are way above my bankroll. I don't know anything about Poker analysis but I would guess a $1/$1 no limit holdem $50 buy in would be the best game for longevity of play of the stuff I mentioned?
Quote: RomesHonestly, your best bet to maximize your table hours and have a small potential for winning is actual poker. Play tight (only the better hands) and just be aggressive when you actually have the best of it. Some very quick and simple research online can give you the basics and from there just avoid the fancy stuff (bluffing, hero calling, semi-bluffing, etc, etc). Should be able to sit at a table for hours and hours on end, though not sure if you're the type to enjoy watching the action and conversating while dragging the occasional pot or not.
Romes - While I totally respect 99% of your advice, I don't agree here. If a player plays as tight as you suggest, he becomes easily exploitable. On top of that, an inexperienced player will surely over value certain hands and not be in a position to properly adjust to board texture, understand the power of position, bet size appropriately, and a host of other things. I think that this will lead to a negative EV situation.
For the situation the OP is describing, I'd recommend a low variance, slower bet resolution option, like Pai Gow, or Craps Pass or DP.
<$25 minimum Pai Gow or Asia Poker would probably be even better, but I've never seen lower limits on those tables.
If you want to go the poker route, I would stick with 2/4 limit. In the NL game, you could get stacked on your 1st hand. (E.g., You get dealt AA and your opponent puts you all in; 20% of the time, you will go bust.)
If you can read, understand, and apply principals from a book like Lee Jones' Winning Low-Limit Holdem (for beginners) and/or Sklansky/Malmuth/Miller's Small Stakes Holdem (intermediate), you will be a winning player at the "No-Foldem" Holdem tables.
Quote: gamerfreak<$25 minimum Pai Gow or Asia Poker would probably be even better, but I've never seen lower limits on those tables.
Hmmm... I guess $25+ is standard "Out West" or "Up North." I can often play $10 PGP in Biloxi. Yup, even on weekends.
I agree with others who recommend PGP as a fun. slow, low variance game for the small bankroll player (like me!) And, with 7 cards to sort out, you actually get to "play" your cards. Very fun game.
Quote: JoemanI would echo the PGP suggestion for the reasons already mentioned -- slow pace, low variance, etc.
If you want to go the poker route, I would stick with 2/4 limit. In the NL game, you could get stacked on your 1st hand. (E.g., You get dealt AA and your opponent puts you all in; 20% of the time, you will go bust.)
If you can read, understand, and apply principals from a book like Lee Jones' Winning Low-Limit Holdem (for beginners) and/or Sklansky/Malmuth/Miller's Small Stakes Holdem (intermediate), you will be a winning player at the "No-Foldem" Holdem tables.
Thanks for the game and book suggestions. (Even if it doesn't compete by the originally intended metrics compared to the other suggestions from the thread, I have wanted to get into playing poker just for poker's sake anyway.)
