Lucca3927
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:24:54 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

I've pretty much abandoned counting blackjack in favor of more profitable options. I'm mean if I'm playing blackjack, I probably "kinda" count so I know when to take insurance, but im not going to give up watching a waitress walk away for a quarter of a precent... If I miss a few cards I'm ok with that.

Anyway, this casino is in the Midwest. I'm there a lot... Like almost every day. Does a more specific location matter?



I can't say for sure, but I think that casinos like yours and mine are more like break in casinos for managers who want to move up so they're not as likely to be as skilled and able to pick out counters.
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billryan
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:27:47 PM permalink
It depends. If you are a low roller at some of the bigger places, expect nothing.
prozema
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:29:46 PM permalink
I think you are right, although there are a few stories floating around about counters being banned for "smelling bad"
prozema
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:34:22 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

It depends. If you are a low roller at some of the bigger places, expect nothing.



Good point. I'll consider that a vote for get as much value as you can out of it and don't sweat it.

On the other hand, while I don't have a top level card, I hit a mid level every year... I'm not playing to hit a card tier.
Lucca3927
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February 22nd, 2018 at 6:40:59 PM permalink
Quote: prozema



On the other hand, while I don't have a top level card, I hit a mid level every year... I'm not playing to hit a card tier.



I've never made it past a mid tier under any program, nor am I trying, but I don't think it's easy to do as a BJ and Craps player. Only the slot jockeys stand a chance amongst average players.
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Rwcatskills
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February 22nd, 2018 at 9:14:54 PM permalink
There is so much more that goes into it than your last trip.
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February 23rd, 2018 at 9:09:26 PM permalink
FOffers are generally based on 3 months play, NOT COUNTING THE MONTH PRIOR TO THE OFFER.

In April, you may get an offer for December, January, and February. They calculate and mail the offers before your March play has been considered. Many people do not realize this, and the fluctuation on their offers seems like it is calculated randomly.

Just my observation. YMMV
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February 23rd, 2018 at 9:40:10 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

That's a good point. My slot play dropped to almost nothing if you don't count VP. I appreciate everyone sharing their thoughts.




This is why your mailers stopped. When did your slot play drop and when did you not get a mailer? Like someone else in the thread said, many casinos use 3 months and skip 1, others use 1 month and skip 1, sounds like it might have just caught up to you. Write things down so you can always look back and figure out what they are doing. Sometimes it's just impossible.
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Rwcatskills
February 24th, 2018 at 5:35:19 AM permalink
I'm fairly certain that mailers are subject to a very great time-lag and also subject to a great many different computer programs that attempting to divine some rhyme or reason to their provisions can be a misguided task.
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February 24th, 2018 at 6:06:17 AM permalink
I wrote out a lot then decided shouldn't post all that.

Essentially, every casino's marketing system is different. They weight things differently than others, like theoretical loss, actual loss, time played, and other metrics. Some strictly look at the previous X time period, some look at the previous X, Y, and Z time periods, weighting each differently. Some will give you mail very soon (like 2 weeks) and others may take 3-4+ months. Also doesn't help ALL of these things may change at any given time and IME they can change frequently. It may even be so simple that the casino wants to target smaller players than bigger players so they give out more to smaller players than they did before and take some from the bigger players. Or vice versa. Or maybe they now have a bigger marketing budget or a smaller one. Or their budget is seasonal (trying to get people out to BFE during the winter might be difficult...during the summer, not so much). Many places will give different offers based on your vicinity to the casino.

Hell, maybe they wrote down your address incorrectly and it's not even going to your house.

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