ajt
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November 7th, 2016 at 9:18:59 AM permalink
I was playing UTH this weekend and another player at the table made a 4x bet on something like A7o or K7o (I forgot the exact hand but it was a correct 4x bet hand). He won and the dealer told him how lucky he was. Then he asked him "Have you heard of Wizard of Odds?"

The player said he's heard of it, then the dealer asks "Do you know who runs Wizard of Odds? It's run by the casinos to make you lose your money."

I laughed and really wanted to tell the dealer what a tool he is.
discflicker
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November 7th, 2016 at 9:27:35 AM permalink
I don't think so...

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Romes
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November 7th, 2016 at 10:39:44 AM permalink
Wow. I've actually had a few dealers refer me to WOO for correct strategies, but I've NEVER had one tell me it's run by casinos to make you lose money lol. Jesus I wonder if this was a rogue employee or if the casino itself is trying to pump this BS out to the community to stop players from learning how to properly play (and still lose) on their games.
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ajt
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November 7th, 2016 at 11:11:03 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Wow. I've actually had a few dealers refer me to WOO for correct strategies, but I've NEVER had one tell me it's run by casinos to make you lose money lol. Jesus I wonder if this was a rogue employee or if the casino itself is trying to pump this BS out to the community to stop players from learning how to properly play (and still lose) on their games.

Haha, I don't think he has bad intentions, he's just terribly uninformed. He gave me crap the first time I played with him, and I've heard him tell someone "AK is useless in this game". I just feel bad because I know a lot of new players will take the dealer's advice seriously.
billryan
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November 7th, 2016 at 12:25:17 PM permalink
I've often been told that casino employees wrote the book on basic strategy. Their proof? If the casinos were afraid of basic strategy, they wouldn't sell it in gift shops. I don't think the dealers are intentionally lying, just repeating what they heard.
mrsuit31
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November 7th, 2016 at 12:27:24 PM permalink
Quote: ajt

Haha, I don't think he has bad intentions, he's just terribly uninformed. He gave me crap the first time I played with him, and I've heard him tell someone "AK is useless in this game". I just feel bad because I know a lot of new players will take the dealer's advice seriously.

He may not have had bad intentions, but he would be liable for defamation per se if anyone cared or knew who the dealer was...
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Deucekies
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November 7th, 2016 at 1:12:55 PM permalink
You can definitely tell which dealers/employees are gamblers themselves. I remember one former coworker who absolutely fit the definition of "degenerate". This dealer gave some of the worst advice to players I had ever heard.
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November 7th, 2016 at 2:29:49 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

I remember one former coworker who absolutely fit the definition of "degenerate". This dealer gave some of the worst advice to players I had ever heard.

I think about 50% of the casino dealers in Las Vegas (and 75% of the ticket writers working in the casinos' sportsbooks) would qualify for that description. Both parts.
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DRich
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November 7th, 2016 at 3:03:02 PM permalink
Quote: ajt

The player said he's heard of it, then the dealer asks "Do you know who runs Wizard of Odds? It's run by the casinos to make you lose your money."

I always secretly suspected that the Wizard is actually Sheldon Adelson.
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Wizard
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