ItsDanYaBish
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July 10th, 2016 at 8:57:09 PM permalink
Hey so have a question about an incident at Cosmo when I was playing pai gow poker on my last trip.

I was playing two hands and averaging about $400 a hand.

I decided to get frisky and began betting hard on my fortune bets (sucker I know) with $100 per hand (max).

I was feeling even friskier and co-oped and tossed chips at other positions at my table to buy out fortune bets from players who were betting lighter, two players at $90-100 each.

After about 3 rounds of this and hitting and missing I hit a royal on another players hand, got paid my 15gs, gave him 1K to be friendly and played a bit more.

The next day I returned and tried co-opting other players fortune bets only to be told by a floor supervisor that its against the rules.

Agitated at this seemingly sudden rule change I decided not to play anymore (probably for the best since i was up about 25K) and was left wondering why the casino wouldn't let me lay such a house friendly bet on other peoples positions.

Does anyone have any idea why? I wasn't really given an explanation even when I pressed on it. No information was shared between players and i never saw their cards until after all hands were set.

Any insight would be appreciated :)
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July 10th, 2016 at 9:08:47 PM permalink
Simple. When your buddy hits a big payout and slides back your $90-$100 and says "Thanks for the loan" you're up shit creek. The casino has to pay the player at the seat. You're going to get pissed, and the casino now has a headache it has to deal with.

The casino is willing to forgo some revenue in order to avoid the above scenario which can easily drive away a big player. Chances are it's the casinos unofficial (maybe offical) policy to not allow betting on other players sidebets. Some dealers/floor will probably look the other way in hopes of generating a good tip opportunity.
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July 10th, 2016 at 9:15:15 PM permalink
Quote: ItsDanYaBish

Hey so have a question about an incident at Cosmo when I was playing pai gow poker on my last trip.

I was playing two hands and averaging about $400 a hand.

I decided to get frisky and began betting hard on my fortune bets (sucker I know) with $100 per hand (max).

I was feeling even friskier and co-oped and tossed chips at other positions at my table to buy out fortune bets from players who were betting lighter, two players at $90-100 each.

After about 3 rounds of this and hitting and missing I hit a royal on another players hand, got paid my 15gs, gave him 1K to be friendly and played a bit more.

The next day I returned and tried co-opting other players fortune bets only to be told by a floor supervisor that its against the rules.

Agitated at this seemingly sudden rule change I decided not to play anymore (probably for the best since i was up about 25K) and was left wondering why the casino wouldn't let me lay such a house friendly bet on other peoples positions.

Does anyone have any idea why? I wasn't really given an explanation even when I pressed on it. No information was shared between players and i never saw their cards until after all hands were set.

Any insight would be appreciated :)



Some add'l info, though no real answer. I routinely play 2 hands if the house allows it; most do. I have, from time to time, for one reason or another, tried to bet another hand's Fortune. It has always been denied, whether augmenting the person's bet, or placing one because they invited me to, or whatever. The House has, without fail, denied me doing this while playing 2 hands of my own. When playing one, I have been allowed to augment or team bet another person's hand.

IMO, two things are possible. You were betting so big the first night that they let you do what you wanted. Or, the crew that night was ignorant of or ignored their house rule.

What I don't know is the reason for the rule in the first place, at least in places where your second hand must be set House way. (If you're setting your hands, some advantage can be had at times, like if you've seen all the aces between them or something, you might set the 2nd hand to take advantage of that.)

It may be a preemptive rule, to keep customers from squabbling over wins. Or to keep players from being badgered about others playing their spots; seems common overseas, mostly not done here. I found it disconcerting, myself.

But, yeah, when the PGP mood descends, I'd enjoy playing 4 to 6 hands at an empty table, sidebet included. Never found any place that would let me. So I think maybe you ran into the real rule that was there long before you, and they just let you Gorilla the first night.
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July 10th, 2016 at 9:56:04 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Or, the crew that night was ignorant of or ignored their house rule.



I'd lay good money this was the reason. Or the first supervisor knew the rule but was not a stickler about enforcing it. When I was a the Venetian I noticed there was a lot of variation in how strictly the rules were adhered to between one floorman and another. There was also a lot of ignorance about policies. For example, everybody seemed to have a different answer to the question, "How much does one have to bet to get comped cigarettes?"
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July 12th, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Simple. When your buddy hits a big payout and slides back your $90-$100 and says "Thanks for the loan" you're up shit creek. The casino has to pay the player at the seat. You're going to get pissed, and the casino now has a headache it has to deal with.



And imagine instead of a Royal Flush, it was Five Aces (400:1) that the other player got. Now he's got a W2G to fill out, and he's on the hook for taxes on your win. Now what do you do?

It's a hornet's nest the casino doesn't want to deal with.
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