odiousgambit
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June 21st, 2016 at 11:35:32 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

If you bet \$5 on it, it costs you 17 cents per hand. At an average of 30 hands per hour on UTH, that's \$5.10/hour... If you're betting \$10 on the ante/blind you're average bet, according to the Wiz is \$41. At 30 hands per hour your action is \$1230, and ASSUMING you play perfectly you have a house edge of 2.18%, for an expect loss of \$26.81/hour. All of these are poor, but if you're looking for variance, the trips bet certainly can add it (in both directions).

I believe you're mistaken. If you go by the average bet, you should use the element of risk. If you go by the official HE, you use that 2.18% against your ante ... \$10 ante means about 22 cents. 30 hands per hour, @\$6.60 in theoretical

This is why I say it is possible to play roughly break-even if the dealers miss some of their own straights

Quote: wizard on uth page

for example ... if you bet \$1 and both the Ante and Blind initially, then you can expect to lose 2.185 cents on average

http://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/
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Joeman
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June 21st, 2016 at 12:15:20 PM permalink
The way I see most people playing, the Trips bet is the good bet, and the Play is the sucker bet! The (5/6/8) Trips HE is always 1.9% no matter how poorly you play.
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Romes
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June 21st, 2016 at 12:51:41 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I believe you're mistaken. If you go by the average bet, you should use the element of risk...

Ha, I'm just used to calculating it how some casinos I know calculate it, which is 4x your ante against the house edge =).
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odiousgambit
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June 21st, 2016 at 1:32:53 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Ha, I'm just used to calculating it how some casinos I know calculate it, which is 4x your ante against the house edge =).

I hope so, a player might get better comps.

Note I quote the Wizard in my reply.

"4x your ante against the house edge" is the wrong way to do it.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Romes
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June 21st, 2016 at 2:03:40 PM permalink
I've been told by a PB that I was given 6x ;-)
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 21st, 2016 at 2:16:01 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I've been told by a PB that I was given 6x ;-)

A guy I know that gets rated as a \$100 bj player on a \$10 game by a certain supervisor.
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Commish
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June 23rd, 2016 at 5:50:26 AM permalink
The mathematical odds of quads is only 600-1 so it is shocking that you have not had quads. I have played this game on a regular basis for over 5 years. I have seen 18 Royal flushes of which only 2 were mine. I have also had 53 straight flushes of my own. They do happen.
Deucekies
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June 23rd, 2016 at 10:19:51 PM permalink
Quote: Commish

I have also had 53 straight flushes of my own.

Holy cow. When you say "on a regular basis," how much do you mean? 10 hours a week? 20?

I've played for eight years, though admittedly off-and-on. I have had exactly one straight flush.
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 23rd, 2016 at 10:49:46 PM permalink
I have one straight flush and one royal.

Oddly, I've never won with quads on the board. Been out kicked or pushed every time. The worst one was flopping a full house with 77 on a 788 board only for the turn/river to be 88. Lost to a 9 high.
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Deucekies
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