Deucekies
Deucekies
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June 13th, 2016 at 3:14:25 PM permalink
Quote: Romes


The thing I hate most about the trips bet... If you get a RF with $5 on it you get paid $250 (50-1), but if you're betting $10 on your blind bet you get paid $5,000. F the trips, you get a big enough bonus from the blind bet if you hit anything big.



Only the straight flush and the royal flush have bigger payouts on the Blind than the Trips though. Anything less than that, the Trips is the big payout AND it's paying you whether you beat the dealer or not. When four to a flush comes on the board and I've got the deuce-high flush, I'm glad I played the trips. Sure it's mathematically a bad bet, but the satisfaction I gain from it makes up for the money lost to it. That's why I play it.
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Commish
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June 15th, 2016 at 6:04:41 AM permalink
Very simply, keep track of how you would have done on the trips wager without betting it. If you do this for a while you will not want to bet it.
charliepatrick
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June 15th, 2016 at 11:26:08 AM permalink
Technically one avoids side bets as in the long term they cost you more playing them than not. That is why the advice is to steer clear of them. Of course you have to accept your decision if you don't play the side bet and then get a good hand and the things people say to you.

Most poker based games seem to have the base game and side bets; the latter (usually) pay higher odds for good or excellent hands. The problem is that you're drip feeding money hoping to hit the better hands and higher payouts.

However if you're after a fun game then you may, after refection, play the side bet and accept your time at the table will be less but hope you'll hit a big hand and win a bundle.
CharmedQuark
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June 16th, 2016 at 3:31:40 PM permalink
I don’t think players realize how bad the ‘TRIPS’ bet really is from a mathematical prospective. I opined on another thread that the player should factor out the returns for the RF, ST and Quads and consider them a ‘push’ when looking at the house edge. I base this on the miniscule probability of getting one of these hands. Even a pay table with the .9 % HE balloons to an astronomical 7.22% HE and the 1.9% pay table inflates to 8.22% HE when considering the rare likelihood of catching one of those hands. I think most slots return better than this.

I’ve been playing UTH for almost three years, about 3 times a week and getting in 2-3 hours of play. I’m still waiting for my first Quads, SF or RF. I have never seen a RF dealt when I have played and very few SF and Quads.

The stars have to be aligned to catch one of these hands. Right time - lined up with the right casino - lined up with the right table - lined up with the right seat - lined up with the right shuffle. Or maybe it’s all about ‘luck’ which has nothing to do with mathematics.

Play the ‘trips’ for fun and excitement but keep your expectations low and watch your bankroll. You may notice there is a slow constant drain when playing UTH and betting the ‘Trips’.
teddys
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June 16th, 2016 at 8:55:55 PM permalink
Quote: CharmedQuark

I don’t think players realize how bad the ‘TRIPS’ bet really is from a mathematical prospective. I opined on another thread that the player should factor out the returns for the RF, ST and Quads and consider them a ‘push’ when looking at the house edge. I base this on the miniscule probability of getting one of these hands. Even a pay table with the .9 % HE balloons to an astronomical 7.22% HE and the 1.9% pay table inflates to 8.22% HE when considering the rare likelihood of catching one of those hands. I think most slots return better than this.

I’ve been playing UTH for almost three years, about 3 times a week and getting in 2-3 hours of play. I’m still waiting for my first Quads, SF or RF. I have never seen a RF dealt when I have played and very few SF and Quads.

The stars have to be aligned to catch one of these hands. Right time - lined up with the right casino - lined up with the right table - lined up with the right seat - lined up with the right shuffle. Or maybe it’s all about ‘luck’ which has nothing to do with mathematics.

Play the ‘trips’ for fun and excitement but keep your expectations low and watch your bankroll. You may notice there is a slow constant drain when playing UTH and betting the ‘Trips’.

That's shocking. I play as much as you and I have hit countless quads, and three SF's. Still have yet to see a royal dealt to myself or anyone else. (I did see a royal dealt out on another hold-em based table game).
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Ibeatyouraces
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June 16th, 2016 at 9:27:32 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Still have yet to see a royal dealt to myself or anyone else. (I did see a royal dealt out on another hold-em based table game).


Should have been there for my one royal. One of the BP's had the 9 for the straight flush on the same hand! :-)
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teddys
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June 17th, 2016 at 7:46:41 AM permalink
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Should have been there for my one royal. One of the BP's had the 9 for the straight flush on the same hand! :-)

You should have texted me. I probably could have been there in the amount of time it took to pay out that hand.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Ibeatyouraces
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June 17th, 2016 at 8:05:20 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

You should have texted me. I probably could have been there in the amount of time it took to pay out that hand.


Doubtful. They goofed big. I'll explain it next time I see you.
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stuckamillion
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June 21st, 2016 at 8:07:00 AM permalink
im just curious to like how deep the rabbit hole goes for you guys who accept a 3.5% HA sidebet because its like so much lower then that of '6 Card Bonus' @ 15%, and think its a harmless sidebet you enjoy and get lucky on. Like its "bearable". Ill play 8/6 JoB, its bearable, ok no 8/6 JoB,, 7/5 just for a couple hours , its only quarters. I dont know how much table time you need to see that the Trips bet is just as bad as any other, even win frequency. You dont hit it that often. #stayaway
Romes
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June 21st, 2016 at 8:36:22 AM permalink
If you bet $5 on it, it costs you 17 cents per hand. At an average of 30 hands per hour on UTH, that's $5.10/hour... If you're betting $10 on the ante/blind you're average bet, according to the Wiz is $41. At 30 hands per hour your action is $1230, and ASSUMING you play perfectly you have a house edge of 2.18%, for an expect loss of $26.81/hour. All of these are poor, but if you're looking for variance, the trips bet certainly can add it (in both directions).
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