tomchina123
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December 22nd, 2015 at 1:31:37 AM permalink
i made a trip to Macao 2 days ago. here is the summary:
1) no dragon 7 in venetian.
2) venetian is really crowded, people everywhere and anywhere.
3) Macao is not a place for westerners, dragon 7 in wynn is only 55 hands about. hkd 25-20000. they are not afraid of counters.
4) wynn has a lot of beautiful girls. some are MR PR, some are gamblers, for gamblers, i concluded they must work in that kind of places. for MR PR, i can see some must be related heavily with high rollers.
5) i bet dragon 7. intended to count, the casino is caring my recording at all. this time,no gambler said, it is useless. and i bet very small. i kept losing for about 30 hands, then i won 3 dragon 7 in 7 hands. it is luck, i cannot be an App. i don't have patience. i did fake couting. like when i saw, if last hand, there are many 8s and 9s, i bet.
6) after some winnings, i missed blackjack, at weekend, it is 500hkD/mini bet. i lost 4 hands. i kept blaming myself, i have said to myself many times, no blackjack in macao anymore. 4 hands is half lost of my winning in dragon 7.
7) the next day, i played dragon 7 again. just a loser.
8) i missed blackjack again. i went a table, where, one gambler is full of chips of 500hkd in front him., no bigger chips, one bet, he bet like 30*500 HKD chips about, ,,,him, he got a blackjack... when he saw me, he wants to leave, he tried to change the chips into big one. it is like 300,000 hkd winnings. i waited for about 10 minuites to have him finished. i asked dealer, if he won all here, he said yes, he is good. i said, he is not good. because i saw he stands for A7 VS dealer's A. the dealer said: he is lucky. he must feel i should be an arrogant person,no need to argue with me, i can really feel it. i cannot say more. because winning has more say. i bought 2000 hkd chips. play 2 hands. then i had A3, A7, vs dealer's 3. for A3, i collect my memory( only D vs 456), it is 'hit'. i got a card of ?(not in memory now). for A7, i can recall it fast. double, i put another bet... thanks goodness, a 2. pit boss is watching it. with no much emotion at this...
at last, i won 4 units, i headed to another table.
9) at another table, i won 4 hands and lost 2 hands, i am still a loser. i tried to bet last hand, if it is a loss, but it is a win. i bet bigger, i won 5 hands contiously. at last, i won my money back with a small profit.
10) i want to ferry with my relatives. the ship leaves 90 minutes later, i went to a nearly casion. also blackjack, an old woman kept blaming on me, you are not playing right. you have 13, dealer is 7, why keep hitting... i did another feeling, she will not accept explantions.of chances, she just judged it by the result of last hand,,, her.

eventully, i won a little bit, i felt good. no mather how much, it is good to win.
NokTang
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December 22nd, 2015 at 3:51:37 AM permalink
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4) wynn has a lot of beautiful girls. some are MR PR, some are gamblers, for gamblers, i concluded they must work in that kind of places. for MR PR, i can see some must be related heavily with high rollers.



Thanks for the live report.

What are "MR" and "PR"? Is that some sort of code for prostitution?

Did you notice any craps being played, at Wynn or any other property? I've heard they pulled the craps table out of Wynn but still have one or two? at the Venetian and Lisboa?

Why do you mention "3) Macao is not a place for westerners"?

Kind regards and Happy Holidays
tomchina123
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December 22nd, 2015 at 7:04:26 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Thanks for the live report.

What are "MR" and "PR"? Is that some sort of code for prostitution?

Did you notice any craps being played, at Wynn or any other property? I've heard they pulled the craps table out of Wynn but still have one or two? at the Venetian and Lisboa?

Why do you mention "3) Macao is not a place for westerners"?

Kind regards and Happy Holidays



thanks for your reading.
Mr PR is not protitute. they are public relation lady, as we call. they pay notice to high rollers, call them and ask them to come more often.
for craps, as i remembered, no in wynn or lisboa or mgm. but venetian, i saw there were some before. now, not sure.

not for westerners, because there are enough Chinese who don't care for house edge. i never met a single chinese i can discuss maths and counting with. i feel lonely. or expeled.

by the way, i asked carefully in wynn two dealers: for blackjack: AA, split, if A again, resplit is possilbe, up to 4 hands. i asked for fun only, because i never got another A after split.
UCivan
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December 22nd, 2015 at 8:57:52 AM permalink
Good report. I plan to visit Macao in January.

Besides Dragon 7, what other side bets does Macao have? Is Dragon 7 on EZ Baccarat only or also on regular Baccarat. Actually, let me ask all the questions:

Baccarat
1. What side bets for Baccarat are there in Macao? Dragon Bonus, Panda 8, Either / Perfect Pair, others?
2. Is it true most Baccarat are commission free? Is EZ-Baccarat popular?
3. What are the typical table limits?
4. Is it safe to stay in hotels on China site, Zhuhai?

Blackjack
1. What side bets are there?
2. How many decks of plays, 2, 6, or 8?
3. Do they CSM or regular shuffle machines?
4. Is it still dealer getting one card until player have hit to get the 2nd card?
tomchina123
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December 24th, 2015 at 8:37:39 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Good report. I plan to visit Macao in January.

Besides Dragon 7, what other side bets does Macao have? Is Dragon 7 on EZ Baccarat only or also on regular Baccarat. Actually, let me ask all the questions:

Baccarat
1. What side bets for Baccarat are there in Macao? Dragon Bonus, Panda 8, Either / Perfect Pair, others?
2. Is it true most Baccarat are commission free? Is EZ-Baccarat popular?
3. What are the typical table limits?
4. Is it safe to stay in hotels on China site, Zhuhai?

Blackjack
1. What side bets are there?
2. How many decks of plays, 2, 6, or 8?
3. Do they CSM or regular shuffle machines?
4. Is it still dealer getting one card until player have hit to get the 2nd card?



Thanks for reading.

here are the answers:
Baccarat:
1) tie, pairs, dragon 7. no dragon bonus, no panda 8. no others. i don't know what Perfect Pair means, in macao, only normal pair of 1:11.
2) like 80% of tables: commission free at half pay of winning banker of 6 points. EZ bac is not pop at all, i am sure there isn't any table in venetian and lisboa and sands, there are only wynn and mgm, each about 10 tables. galaxy, not sure. i want to know more info on it. hope Mike got a writer for it asap.
3) bj: hkd200 in small casinos. hkd300 in mgm and wynn in work days, hkd 500 at weekends.
bac: hkd 300-1.5million.
4) it is safe to stay in Zhuhai.

BJ
1) pairs, insurance, and in sands: over/under 13.
2)6.
3) all csm.
4) yes, you are right. always.

best place to play BJ: WYNN: just behind the live lcd-bet bac. best place to watch live F show: fortuna, 4th flooor or 5th.
UCivan
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December 24th, 2015 at 3:52:07 PM permalink
Greta answers. Thanks.

Isn't Dragon 7 owned by EZ Baccarat (DEQ)? May be someone else know, who own Dragon 7? Perhaps it's in public domain.
UCivan
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December 25th, 2015 at 11:38:47 AM permalink
The credits go to Eliot and APheat.net:

" I first considered if the Dragon 7 baccarat side bet was susceptible to a card counting methodology in mid-2011 when it was exclusively a proprietary side bet owned by DEQ that was associated with the commission free baccarat variant EZ Baccarat. Since that time, the patent for both EZ Baccarat and the Dragon 7 bet have expired (see this post). Naturally, Shuffle Master (SHFL, Bally, whatever) pounced on the opportunity to grab the intellectual property. They re-branded the Dragon 7 as the “Fortune 7” bet and are now actively marketing it as their own product. Ah, capitalism!

The Dragon/Fortune 7 baccarat side bet (DF7) is simple to describe. This side bet pays 40-to-1 if the Banker’s three-card total of 7 wins the hand, otherwise the bet loses."

So, Dragon 7 (Fortune 7) is in public domain.
tomchina123
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December 26th, 2015 at 3:05:08 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

The credits go to Eliot and APheat.net:

" I first considered if the Dragon 7 baccarat side bet was susceptible to a card counting methodology in mid-2011 when it was exclusively a proprietary side bet owned by DEQ that was associated with the commission free baccarat variant EZ Baccarat. Since that time, the patent for both EZ Baccarat and the Dragon 7 bet have expired (see this post). Naturally, Shuffle Master (SHFL, Bally, whatever) pounced on the opportunity to grab the intellectual property. They re-branded the Dragon 7 as the “Fortune 7� bet and are now actively marketing it as their own product. Ah, capitalism!

The Dragon/Fortune 7 baccarat side bet (DF7) is simple to describe. This side bet pays 40-to-1 if the Banker’s three-card total of 7 wins the hand, otherwise the bet loses."

So, Dragon 7 (Fortune 7) is in public domain.



yes, if you come to count it, let me know. then we can count 2 tables at the same time if i will also go.
by Macao's 58 hands only, guessed only bet once each shoe.
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