Longest roll in craps?

I was wondering what the longest roll some of the people on here had ever seen a single shooter make in craps. I ask because I had what was easily the longest roll of my very short career the other night. I had been having a bad night. I started out playing the pass line, but the table was cold so I switched to no pass. That worked for a couple of shooters, but then the table got hot enough that I ended up nearly $200 down before switching back to the pass line. The guy next to me had an okay run, and I made up maybe $30-$40 of that (I usually put $5 on the pass line, with 3x odds if it's a 6 or 8 and single or double odds on other points. I will make come bets until I have 3 numbers covered, with similar odds on those. My casino only allows 3x odds. I probably should bet more, but I can't afford the losses that might come from really agressive betting.) Then I got the dice. I kept them from between 30 minutes to an hour (I wasn't really keeping track, but I know it was at least half an hour, and I really think an hour is closer to it.) I ended up making all my money back and being slightly ahead, and could have made a lot more with more aggresive betting. The guy next to me made well over $1,000 off of my roll, and the guy on my other side probably made something similar. I hit 6 at least 4-5 times, 10 at least 4-5 times, 4 a couple of times, and every other number at least once or twice (Don't remember all of it, but I know several had bought the 10 and got paid several times, and one guy next to me kept pressing his six every time I hit it until he had $150 on it at once.) I also shot a few 12s and 2s in between to keep anyone from being hurt. And hit an 11 at one point when the guy next to me had $25 bet on it, giving him $375 on one bet. And I did hit 7 once or twice on come out rolls. I actually got applauded after finally sevening out.

Congrats on beating the variance Lhornbk70! Anytime you can walk away from a negative EV game with some chips, you are doing very well.

For your interest, the longest Vegas shoot on record was 3 hours and six minutes by a gentleman by the name of Stanley Fujitake back in 1989. The casino even started a club to commemorate shooters who have held the dice for more than an hour. Here is an old article on the "club" from the LV Sun

That was the old record - the new one is 4 hours, 18 minutes.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/craps_player_sets_record_roll.html

When I get on a long roll, I will press press press and build up so I get paid $300 for every roll of the dice, covering everything including any craps. Playing with the house's money makes me aggressive.

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That was the old record - the new one is 4 hours, 18 minutes.

That's why I mentioned the "Vegas" record. This lady's record shoot was in Atlantic City.

I would be curious to see how much slower the time between throws gets when the shooter has been at it for some time. Veteran players will keep their bets and payouts in logical amounts to speed up play, but when everyone is betting props, or tossing chips into the middle randomly, it can be a madhouse.

My longest roll was at the Harrah's in Laughlin. While I don't know how many rolls were made, I do know that it was for 38 minutes. The only reason I know the exact time was that I was signed up for a poker tournament that started at 2:00pm. When the dice were pushed to me at 1:20, I figured I wouldn't be throwing the dice for too long, and would still have plenty of time to cash out and make it to the tournament. I did end up 7-out before the tournament started, but I didn't have time to cash out. I was betting as much as other people at the table, but I did manage to do very well for myself. In addition, there was a guy who had $100 each on the hardways, and every time I rolled one of them, he threw me $25.

if someone threw me a $25 chip for hitting one of his hardways, id throw it on the hardway bet with him. thats a much better way of saying thank you than just putting the chip in your rail or making a different wager with it.

I wrote about this in a trip report back a couple months ago, but my friend had a roll to start our trip that lasted at least 45 minutes. My better half was playing, while I was off getting drinks and playing cards. I only know it was so long because I kept coming back to check on them every 15 minutes or so, and by the third trip back I was shocked that he was still rolling. He started out up about $1200 for the trip and continued winning for the next 2 days.

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That was the old record - the new one is 4 hours, 18 minutes.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/craps_player_sets_record_roll.html

When I get on a long roll, I will press press press and build up so I get paid $300 for every roll of the dice, covering everything including any craps. Playing with the house's money makes me aggressive.

If I hadn't already been down nearly $200, I probably would have been more aggressive in betting as the roll continued. I'm thinking of taking these winnings that I have and trying to be a little more aggressive and turn it into something bigger this weekend, before I really have to get school going (I'm a teacher.)

Let me tell you about the other side. I bet $5 pass line, $50 odds and two come bets the same. I lost $6,000 this past weekend. I was never ahead, saw 4 different points made only once. I actually lost $1,000 in approx. 15 minutes at one session, collecting only 3 odds bets. Can someone calculate the probability of such a bad streak to lose that much?

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Let me tell you about the other side. I bet $5 pass line, $50 odds and two come bets the same. I lost $6,000 this past weekend. I was never ahead, saw 4 different points made only once. I actually lost $1,000 in approx. 15 minutes at one session, collecting only 3 odds bets. Can someone calculate the probability of such a bad streak to lose that much?

Ouch. That is REALLY bad. I feel your pain. That's a high variance system, though, with 10x odds and $165 on the table at once. I don't think it's outside the realm of normal probability (i.e., 2 standard devs.). Maybe a 5-10% chance.

It's not outside the realm of probability because it really happened. It's times like these when I begin to think the casino is cheating (see the keno thread). It's just unbelievable when you get three numbers up, then seven out without collecting a bet, 5 or 6 shooters in a row. I think goatcabin knows how to calculate this stuff, standard deviation and so forth.

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I would be curious to see how much slower the time between throws gets when the shooter has been at it for some time. Veteran players will keep their bets and payouts in logical amounts to speed up play, but when everyone is betting props, or tossing chips into the middle randomly, it can be a madhouse.

That's one of the reason's I think my roll lasted closer to an hour than half hour. This casino is still new enough that some of the dealers are not that experienced (and this casino rotates people around the craps table about every 20-30 minutes-from stick to dealer on one side to time off to dealer again and so on. I had at least 2 different sticks while I was throwing), and so paying off bets takes awhile for some of them, especially some of the more complex bets and higher bets. And there were a lot of bets out. Plus some were constantly pressing some of their bets and keeping hardways up whenever I shot an easy. The box was constantly having to help one dealer (on my side) with some of his payouts. And I benefited from one dealer mistake. He left my come bets up after I had hit one point on the pass line and then rolled a seven on the next come out roll. There were so many place bets and buy bets up, and that are turned off on that roll, that he just assumed everything was turned off. I didn't notice until after my next roll, when I was about to put another come bet down and realized I already had a couple of other numbers still covered (I was the only person making come bets on that side, so I know they were mine.) By that point I decided to leave it alone instead of pointing it out, since it would have slowed up play while they tried to figure it out, and I'm superstitious enough that I didn't want to do anything to mess that roll up.

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That's one of the reason's I think my roll lasted closer to an hour than half hour. This casino is still new enough that some of the dealers are not that experienced (and this casino rotates people around the craps table about every 20-30 minutes-from stick to dealer on one side to time off to dealer again and so on.

Standard procedure for most craps table dealers to rotate positions.
On stick for 20, to both bases for 20 each, break for 20, and start again. An 8 hour shift, one only deals for 6 hours.edit0003

You did the right thing. With new, or weak dealers, it is totally the player's responsibility to ensure correct payouts. If a house error tilts in your favor, you don't have to say anything. However, if confronted by the boxman, you should have no qualms with making it square.

As for your plan to take your winnings and getting aggressive this weekend, a word of warning... The L.O.A. (Law of Averages) hits back, and occassionally hits hard. Manage your bankroll,and don't chase the next, "hot streak" into the hole.

First post to this forum, but I've been a long time lurker.
I know some of you are not going to believe this, but this truely did happen.
Last May (May of 09, for the record) I had the dice pushed to me at around 10:30pm, and I continued to shoot until just after 12am. I did this at the Siena Casino in Reno, NV. I myself was counting and focusing on the rolls, so the only bet I had on the table was a pass line with single odds. I rolled 89 "box" numbers, with 14 "horn" numbers, sprinkled in. Amazingly, I NEVER rolled a 7, until the 7-out. (On #104) I think reaching the 100 mark, made me more nervous because I realized I was coming up on the record (which at that time was 118 by Fujitake). I'm also for certain it is a Reno record though...
yes I was setting the dice, with the 3-V set the entire time.

Congratulations TIMSPEED. That is an amazing feat. To avoid "Big Red" for 103 consecutive rolls contributes to the evidence that dice setting can turn the game into a positive EV.

Now on dice setting I bought the Scobelete book and find the setting of the dice does not seem to have any significant effect on what happens, in face the times I have played and set dice I tend to 7 out quickly. Perhaps I have not skilled the throw of having the dice bounce and die as the book describes. However there is significant advertising throughout the book to buy the practice craps tables/ boxes.

70 minutes in Tunica in 2008 or 2009 (it's all so confusing these days.......)
We knew the exact amount of time because my buddy had rolled just prior to me, and said he was going to roll for 30 minutes. That was a huge laugh, since no one could make more than 1 point for the previous hour on the table, but he did in fact, roll for 35 minutes. When he finished, he told me, "I got my 30 minutes, you get an hour."

As was pointed out, the length of time on my roll was skewed, since so many people were making hop bets and other idiotic $1 bets. After 30 minutes, it was taking 2 minutes to pay out after every roll, so the last 1/2hour was probably no more than 15 to 25 throws. There was a payout argument by the hop bettors after every throw. Since I went hugely positive during the roll I could not have cared less if they had argued for 5 minutes every time, but there were other players on the table who would have been just as happy to start breaking arms and legs on some of the hop bettors......
Same game, same table, lots of different emotions...

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Last May (May of 09, for the record) I had the dice pushed to me at around 10:30pm, and I continued to shoot until just after 12am. I did this at the Siena Casino in Reno, NV. ... I'm also for certain it is a Reno record though...

It is a record that will certainly never be broken at the Siena, since they don't have table games anymore! I hope you made your fellow players a lot of money. It takes a lot of restraint to only keep a pass line bet out there. I can respect that ... just the challenge of the roll.

Indeed I did. A fellow player who plays as conservatively as I do, made around $2000...I made $200. ($3 pass line with $5 odds)