brettecantwell
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September 26th, 2015 at 9:36:45 AM permalink
One my local casinos has the face up ultimate 3 card poker where dealer shows one card. I am wondering if there is a good analysis on this face up version? The wizard has a write up on what appears to be a version with dealers card face down as his basic strategy is just to simply fold less than J74. Having a dealer reveal a card i am sure complicates the strategy alot.

I played this last night and got lucky and turned a 40 dollar buy-in into 230 dollars, got two great hands in the night which were AAA and straight flush KQJ. even money on the ante and play and the blind payed 6:1 and the straight flush on the blind pay 8:1 so i made a but of money on those, but i didnt made the pair plus bet at all on those hands which would have payed 30:1 and 40:1 respectively. I know i didn't play 70 hands in the session so i would have made money there had i played it but i was unsure on the house edge on that bet. Seems like most guys play it and i was chastised slightly for not having it out when i got my good hands.. ;)

Just wanted to know if there are any simply strategies for this game as its obvious to fold your high card hand if the dealers up card is even higher. Seemed like most people were not playing their hands unless they were at least a queen.

Also any idea on what the house edge on the pair plus is as well?? Just need to know if this game is alright or if i need to look for the regular 3 card poker face down version.
Thanks for any help.
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September 26th, 2015 at 11:11:50 AM permalink
Is it the same as Face Up Three Card Poker?
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September 26th, 2015 at 12:11:05 PM permalink
If it isn't the same game that the Wizard linked to, please provide the exact rules of the game and I'll take a look at it.

Edit: I see the Wizard's game doesn't involve a blind wager, so these aren't the same.
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September 26th, 2015 at 1:58:26 PM permalink
I will try to get the exact rules but of what I know.... queen high is what dealer needs to play. If the dealer doesn't open then the ante will push but your play bet still is up. If you have a high card hand you are allowed a 1x raise of your ante. If you get a pair or better you can raise 3x your ante bet. The ante and blind are both required to play against the dealer so at the 5 dollar table the min bet is 10 bucks unless you play the pair plus only which you can do... the dealer hand means nothing if you do that. The blind will pay a bonus on flush or better I believe. So the blind bet mostly pushes or loses .

Biggest difference I see is the fact the ante pushes while your play bet even at 3x still will win even if dealer doesnt qualify. I was flat betting the minimum which if I I won with high card hand over the qualified dealer I would win 10 bucks. If I did the 3x raise I would win 20 dollars vs dealer and a bonus if my hand was flush or better... If dealer didn't qualify then subtract 5 dollars from each scenario. We may go back tonight and I will get all the rules.
brettecantwell
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September 26th, 2015 at 2:09:51 PM permalink
I did find a small article on it but it seems to contradict itself.... one paragraph says the raise pushes when dealer doesnt qualify then another paragraph says the ante does.... I know for a fact my casino I played at pushed the Antes back each time dealer had less than queen .

http://casinogambling.about.com/od/Othercasinogames/fl/How-to-Play-Ultimate-Three-Card-Poker.htm
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September 26th, 2015 at 7:09:24 PM permalink
Bally's page on Ultimate 3 card face-up:

https://www.ballytech.com/Table-Products/Table-Games/Specialty-Games/Face-Up-Ultimate-Three-Card-Poker
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brettecantwell
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September 27th, 2015 at 8:32:26 AM permalink
Here is the rule card from the casino i played it at.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jffo4vpwtqt6zub/ULT3POK.jpg?dl=0

Im sure the pay tables change for the blind and pairplus but the odds on the table there are as follows....

Pair plus

Mini Royal 50 to 1
Straight Flush 40 to 1
Three of a Kind 30
Straight 6 to 1
Flush 4 to 1
Pair 1 to 1


Blind Bonus

Mini Royal 100 to 1
Straight Flush 8 to 1
Three of a Kind 6 to 1
Straight 3 to 2
Flush 1 to 1

The blind bonus seems to be a reduced payout version of the one on the article i posted above which has it as

Mini Royal 100 to 1
Straight Flush 20 to 1
Three of a Kind 10 to 1
Straight 2 to 1
Flush 1 to 1
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September 27th, 2015 at 9:57:07 AM permalink
I found this article which discusses the game. My calculation is about 0.1% different from his, but I checked out the strategy and I agree with it. I did find a handful of exceptions to his basic strategy, but they are not worth worrying about.

If you happen to find a 100/20/10/2/1 blind paytable, you'll have about a 1% advantage.

discount gambling
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September 27th, 2015 at 1:09:41 PM permalink
Hey I appreciate that! Doesn't sound like a bad game to play. Do you believe the pair-plus is worth betting?
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September 27th, 2015 at 1:30:18 PM permalink
I wouldn't play it, but it depends on how much volatility you want. If you want lower volatility, don't bet the pair plus. If you want some real juice, bet it (but plan on running through your bankroll faster).
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