Paigowdan
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August 29th, 2015 at 8:07:52 PM permalink
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I'm really kind of surprised at the way WoV is taking this so lightly. In my opinion, the threats are real, and we will lose our livelihood if left unchecked.



I think we're all right,
and that games being used are currently defendable to an acceptable level as it stands now.

One of the basic criterion of a viable casino game is that it is offerable, and can operate, and be profitable with existing equipment, - such as cards, dice, floor supervision, and the existing surveillance setups. It really boils down to casino personnel, more than star-wars technology.
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discflicker
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August 29th, 2015 at 9:01:52 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I think we're all right,
and that games being used are currently defendable to an acceptable level as it stands now.

One of the basic criterion of a viable casino game is that it is offerable, and can operate, and be profitable with existing equipment, - such as cards, dice, floor supervision, and the existing surveillance setups. It really boils down to casino personnel, more than star-wars technology.



Hey Dan, thanks for the reply.

I think perhaps I've misled everyone with my high-tech rant about the aerosol spray-on nano-tube circuit, the quantum brain scanners, and the nano-bots...

EVERYONE, PLEASE, FORGET THE STAR-WARS TECHNOLOGY, OK??

They already have available to the public, small crawling bots that could, for example, push a stack of chips from black to red. What's to stop someone from getting a tiny crawler inside of an automated roulette table and have it control the wheel? Getting inside of an old mechanical slot and having it press the coin releases? Having it crawl into the cage and retrieve some chips?

There are already mini-drones the size of a pack of matches that can fly around and scan sensitive information like bank account numbers and passwords being typed. THIS STUFF IS REAL and anyone can buy it RIGHT NOW!

The biggest problem I foresee, as I said before, now that we're bathed in wi-fi and Bluetooth signalling everywhere, how can they tell the good signals from the bad inside of a live casino?

I came up with a simple suggestion (my "curtain of light" idea) for protecting physical areas from being compromised by crawling mini bots. I think that sort of thing is just a head start if we expect to keep things working as they always have been, in a world of accelerated technological development.

Thanks for your interest, Dan, I hope all is well.
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boymimbo
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August 30th, 2015 at 4:46:02 AM permalink
A camera will notice an "invisible force" moving stuff around in a casino and figure things out fairly quickly. There would be an incredible amount of programming involved to manipulate a roulette wheel in your favor.

As for the minidrones, this is cool, but you still have the get the minidrone to the right place and transmit the correct information to the person making the bet. In poker the positioning would need to be absolutely correct to get player card information. In other games card protection is already in place but you could position a well placed drone to get hole carding. That drone would have to be at table level and would be subject to being seen and bumped into.

I don't see this happening anytime soon, and by far, it would be easier to exploit dumb people who leave all of their financial information in the open and the banks reluctance to protect them. The are far more doable and lower risk scams out there. No need for the risk of a casino and its layers of security and your physical presence there.
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AxelWolf
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August 30th, 2015 at 5:51:31 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

Hey Dan, thanks for the reply.

I think perhaps I've misled everyone with my high-tech rant about the aerosol spray-on nano-tube circuit, the quantum brain scanners, and the nano-bots...

EVERYONE, PLEASE, FORGET THE STAR-WARS TECHNOLOGY, OK??

They already have available to the public, small crawling bots that could, for example, push a stack of chips from black to red. What's to stop someone from getting a tiny crawler inside of an automated roulette table and have it control the wheel? Getting inside of an old mechanical slot and having it press the coin releases? Having it crawl into the cage and retrieve some chips?

There are already mini-drones the size of a pack of matches that can fly around and scan sensitive information like bank account numbers and passwords being typed. THIS STUFF IS REAL and anyone can buy it RIGHT NOW!

The biggest problem I foresee, as I said before, now that we're bathed in wi-fi and Bluetooth signalling everywhere, how can they tell the good signals from the bad inside of a live casino?

I came up with a simple suggestion (my "curtain of light" idea) for protecting physical areas from being compromised by crawling mini bots. I think that sort of thing is just a head start if we expect to keep things working as they always have been, in a world of accelerated technological development.

Thanks for your interest, Dan, I hope all is well.

Crawling mini bots stealing chips and some of the other things may be possible but the seem far fetched and impractical in a casino. There's probably many more, much simpler ideas. things you couldn't possibly think of that are happening as I type this(both very illegal and perfectly legal)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ShineyShine
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August 30th, 2015 at 10:46:44 PM permalink
This kind of tech would be worth a fortune, so using it for a casino scam right now is small time. Maybe this kind of stuff will be commonplace in the future, as familiar as a smart phone is at the moment, but right now i don't think its an issue.

I posted the above comment in the Roulette thread the OP started, but its probably more appropriate here.
Dicenor33
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August 31st, 2015 at 3:35:16 AM permalink
25 to life and a bunch of show trials should cure stealing.

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