Martin1024
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June 1st, 2014 at 9:37:57 PM permalink
This are the games I have on my local casino, just because Im bored I would like you to help me rank them from best bets to horrible bets.

-Euro Blackjack: 6 decks, DAS , Split up to 4, only one card dealt on split aces BUT you can double on that card, no hole card and insurance is bought after all players has finished and before the dealer hits. Blackjack 3 to 2 and wins every bet made, except with face up Ace only takes original bets. Early surrender.

-Face up Blackjack: 8 decks, double any two cards, blackjack pays even money, DAS.

-American BJ: 6 decks, DAS, split up to 4, no surrender, CSM.

-Craps : 2x odds on passline, 1x on dont pass.

-Ultimate texas holdem: 50-40-30-9-7-4-3 trips paytable.

-American Roulette.

-Euro Roulette

-3 card poker.
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June 1st, 2014 at 9:54:20 PM permalink
I'll take a stab.

Seems like that Euroblackjack is a great game unless I'm missing something so

1) Euro Blackjack - I would gauge in the range of -0.5% HE
2) Craps - 0.61%PL/0.45%DP
3) American BJ - 0.42% s17/ 0.64 h17
4) Ultimate Texas Hold Em - 2.1% HE (1% for trips paytable)
5) Face up BJ - Approximately 2.5% (guessing game here)
6) Euro Roulette - 2.7% HE
7) 3 Card Poker - 3.37%
8) American Roulette - 5.26%

I have no idea how accurate this is but they would be my guesses
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June 1st, 2014 at 10:27:47 PM permalink
Looks about right to me, but I'm no expert.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
odiousgambit
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June 2nd, 2014 at 3:36:16 AM permalink
Quote: Martin1024

-Euro Blackjack: 6 decks, DAS , Split up to 4, only one card dealt on split aces BUT you can double on that card, no hole card and insurance is bought after all players has finished and before the dealer hits. Blackjack 3 to 2 and wins every bet made, except with face up Ace only takes original bets. Early surrender.



Using the Wizard's site, I'm getting near zero on HE. What am I doing wrong?

from the BJ calculator http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/ , -0.40312% without any surrender.

from the variants site, http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/ , Early surrender against ace -> +0.39%

don't know where "Blackjack 3 to 2 and wins every bet made, except with face up Ace only takes original bets" can be factored

-0.01312% ? result I get without this last thing. Seems mighty low, and last thing might put it +EV

PS, if this is an online casino confess that now
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June 2nd, 2014 at 10:25:31 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Using the Wizard's site, I'm getting near zero on HE. What am I doing wrong?

from the BJ calculator http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/ , -0.40312% without any surrender.

from the variants site, http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/rule-variations/ , Early surrender against ace -> +0.39%

don't know where "Blackjack 3 to 2 and wins every bet made, except with face up Ace only takes original bets" can be factored

-0.01312% ? result I get without this last thing. Seems mighty low, and last thing might put it +EV

PS, if this is an online casino confess that now


Early surrender against an Ace is a powerful rule that often yields a player edge (depending on the other rules, of course). It is also a nearly extinct rule, for that same reason. I would guess that OP's Euro game is actually ES10 (early surrender against 10 only).
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June 2nd, 2014 at 11:20:48 AM permalink
Quote: Martin1024


-Euro Blackjack: 6 decks, DAS , Split up to 4, only one card dealt on split aces BUT you can double on that card, no hole card and insurance is bought after all players has finished and before the dealer hits. Blackjack 3 to 2 and wins every bet made, except with face up Ace only takes original bets. Early surrender.
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Are you sure about these rules.
The Early surrender is it full ES or ES10. Can you surrender against Ace.
Ace face up takes only original bets and only with Ten Up you lose Double and Splits is also Unusual. That's not the standard Euro ENHC game.

What do you mean by 'only one card dealt on split aces BUT you can double on that card'.
Do you mean you can only Double for a 3rd Card.

This is a quite a good game (even if it is only ES10) together with the Half applied ENHC and Double on Split Aces.
In the region of under 0.2%.

If is its full ES, then the game is Very good in positive territory.
Martin1024
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June 2nd, 2014 at 12:01:41 PM permalink
Quote: AceTwo

Are you sure about these rules.
The Early surrender is it full ES or ES10. Can you surrender against Ace.
Ace face up takes only original bets and only with Ten Up you lose Double and Splits is also Unusual. That's not the standard Euro ENHC game.

What do you mean by 'only one card dealt on split aces BUT you can double on that card'.
Do you mean you can only Double for a 3rd Card.

This is a quite a good game (even if it is only ES10) together with the Half applied ENHC and Double on Split Aces.
In the region of under 0.2%.

If is its full ES, then the game is Very good in positive territory.



I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough English is not my main language.

Yes is early surrender against ace and ten.
If dealer has a Ten up and the next card is an ace dealer wins every bet, including doubles and splits.
If dealer has an Ace up and next card is a ten only wins original bets.

If you get a pair of aces you can only split them once, you are only being dealt ONE card but you can double on that card. Yes you can double with one card.

Its a casino I deal in Mexico, I always tought it was a very good game for the players no wonder why we lose so often lol.
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June 2nd, 2014 at 12:09:41 PM permalink
I have played in Casinos with good rules like that. The thing is that most players though in such places are usually quite bad (never heard of Basic Strategy and their play is far from it) so against the Average player the casino is making good money.
How good or bad is an Average Player?
Martin1024
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June 2nd, 2014 at 12:18:00 PM permalink
Quote: AceTwo

I have played in Casinos with good rules like that. The thing is that most players though in such places are usually quite bad (never heard of Basic Strategy and their play is far from it) so against the Average player the casino is making good money.
How good or bad is an Average Player?



The average player is bad, the "best" players play closer to basic strategy but the rest are all ploopies always worried if they take or not the bust card thus standing with a 13 vs a T, and some other classic mistakes.

Now there is a group of Chinese players they always play as a team, play almost perfect basic strategy and they end up winning 2 out of 3 times.

Also no one counts cards ,NO ONE.
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June 2nd, 2014 at 12:18:48 PM permalink
I'm struck by the curiously and extremely low odds factor in Craps. Unskillful dealers perhaps?
I'm also struck by the fact the casino simultaneously offers both American Roulette and European Roulette.

I'll let the ranking be done by those with better math skills than I possess but please remember one thing: Rather than chase a few decimal points of house edge.... Play a game that you truly enjoy playing.

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