"grandfathering" your table min

Just got back from Mohegan Sun...it was not a bad trip. One of the more interesting things they allow is if the table limit increases, but you have been at the table, they allow you to play at the limit you came in on. I was there early, and the craps table was 5 bucks. By the time I left, it had been bumped to 10, 15, and was going to be 25, but I was allowed to go below the posted limit and play 5 minimums. Basically if the dealer was new, he'd just ask the box "he's grandfathered?" the first time he saw it to confirm. I don't believe I've encountered this anywhere else I've played, but it was definitely a nice bonus (even though I was betting 10 most of the time anyway). I did take a brief bathroom break, and they honored the grandfathering. If I left for lunch, I think it would have expired.

Many Las Vegas casinos will allow a player to be "grandfathered" in. However, there have been a few times where I have seen a player been asked to raise their bet to the new table minimum.

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Many Las Vegas casinos will allow a player to be "grandfathered" in. However, there have been a few times where I have seen a player been asked to raise their bet to the new table minimum.

The standard policy in AC (where I've done the vast majority of my table gaming) is a warning sticker maybe 30 minutes before the increase, but once that increase happens, everyone is required to bet at the new level.

Connecticut Craps fans will also be pleased to know that Mohegan has dropped 3-4-5x for just 5x odds. I'm told it happened maybe about 4 weeks ago.

In my experience, grandfathering people is the norm. I have only ran into a few cases where it is not, this is both in the Seattle-area casinos as well as Vegas.

I have been "grandfathered" many times on the craps tables. I have also played with folks who were "grandfathered" before my arrival. It confused me the first time I saw it--I put down a $5 bet and was told that I needed to be at $10; I asked why the person next to me only had $5. Once explained, I understood. I have not had a case in Lake Charles, LA or Las Vegas where I was not "grandfathered"...

At the Sahara, mins were $3 on my last trip during the afternoon and early evening but they jumped it as soon as the table was about half full (all the way to $5!).

Walk away from the table without leaving your chips "covered" for a short break and you pay the new min when you get back.

I was playing craps at the Rio in April, when the wager minimum was increased. They grandfathered existing players at the old minimum but only until the dice progressed to the other end of the table. At that point, all players were required to meet the new higher minimum wager. It was not a case of heavy craps traffic and a need to open up space for larger bettors. They only had a couple of tables operating. I suspected that they might have been testing the players: if we weren't willing to bet higher, they might just have been willing to shut down another table and save operating costs. Or maybe if everyone started leaving they might have dropped the minimum back. I really don't know. I wasn't really having a very good session anyway, so I was one of the players that they ran off.

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I was playing craps at the Rio in April, when the wager minimum was increased. They grandfathered existing players at the old minimum but only until the dice progressed to the other end of the table. At that point, all players were required to meet the new higher minimum wager.

I know there has been discussion of it being worth more to the casino to have a table operate at higher minimums and not be full over having a full table of lower minimum players, but it seems to me they need to balance both out to maximize play. Maybe they could balance the odds or something to make the larger players head to the higher level table and also keep the lower rollers playing.

The reason I say that is because they lose their shot at my money when the limits go too high. I can play a higher dollar game, but I like being up on 3 points with $5 pass/come bets and $15-$25 odds. If I can't play that game in your casino, I take those dollars elsewhere.

Speaking of mins. and odds, I heard Wild Wild West in Atlantic City has 100x odds now on craps. Can anybody confirm?

The last time I was there, the AC Hilton had 10X odds, the Tropicana had 5X odds. Bally's has had 10X odds in the past, and I believe they made it permanent, although 5X is "standard" in AC, like 3-4-5X is in LV. However, Bally's was the first casino to bring in 10X odds, so if anyone were to offer this, it would be them.

On another note, the AC Hilton was offering a hand pitched double deck 3-2 game, which at a $15 min isn't half bad for AC. However, you could only double on 10 or 11 and split once. Only found that out when I tried to double on a soft hand against a dealer 6 :-( .

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Speaking of mins. and odds, I heard Wild Wild West in Atlantic City has 100x odds now on craps. Can anybody confirm?

If a mailer is confirmation, I linked to this on a different thread:

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2241051360106501920MUVXqp

Yeesh...I'm surprised an AC casino (and a Harrah's property at that) would offer 100X odds. Considering the kind of money that gets thrown around in AC on the weekends, that could result in some huge payouts. Even though the Casino Royale offers 100X odds in Vegas, I don't expect the kind of people that play there (myself included) are the kind willing to lay down $500 odds on a $5 bet. In fact, I think the highest value chip at their craps table was $500, and if people partook of the 100X odds rule often, they'd definitely have some higher denominations in there.

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Yeesh...I'm surprised an AC casino (and a Harrah's property at that) would offer 100X odds. Considering the kind of money that gets thrown around in AC on the weekends, that could result in some huge payouts. Even though the Casino Royale offers 100X odds in Vegas, I don't expect the kind of people that play there (myself included) are the kind willing to lay down $500 odds on a $5 bet. In fact, I think the highest value chip at their craps table was $500, and if people partook of the 100X odds rule often, they'd definitely have some higher denominations in there.

I believe it's only Wild Wild West, which has but one Craps table. It's usually only a $5 to $10 min, and they don't get the real serious gamblers usually.

While I played both MB and Paris honored me for 2 hours each being grandfathered in from $10 to $15 at craps. 4Q's did not they insisted I raised my bets and did Binions. Guess where I am not going back to.

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While I played both MB and Paris honored me for 2 hours each being grandfathered in from $10 to $15 at craps. 4Q's did not they insisted I raised my bets and did Binions. Guess where I am not going back to.

at fitzgeralds downtown, i saw a very poor decision by the boxman. the table was full. it was a $5 table. this young girl was on a really hot roll. making two points and hitting a bunch of numbers. just about everyone around the table won money, then she sevened out. the boxman announced after the next shooter, hes changing it to a $10 table. and the players who were already there had to start betting $10 minimum.

everyone was complaining and he refused to budge so everyone colored up their chips and left. he ended up killing his own game. im sure after winning a bunch of money on that girls roll, they wouldve happily kept putting their money back into play. instead he angered them and everyone left.