AnabelleT
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:06:47 AM permalink
Late last night I went to the casino with my friend to play Baccarat. She didn't play, she walked around and watched while I played for a little over an hour! It was fun! I'm so hooked! I ended up risking $400, the most I've risked yet, but it's okay, I can afford it. The good thing is I came out ahead about $50 (minus the Banker percentages I had to pay at the end). I guess I won't become rich playing Baccarat, but anyway this is not what I want to talk about.

I sat next to an old Asian man, I'm pretty sure he was Chinese. He was very quiet and had a nice stack of chips in front of him. I had bet different from him a couple of times before and he didn't say anything, but at one point he placed a bet on the Banker and I placed a bet on Player, he smiled and turned to me slowly asking me if I was really going to bet against him. He seemed incredibly confident and this made me a little uncomfortable, I wasn't betting AGAINST him? I was just playing the game. Anyway, I asked him if I was making a mistake. He said yes. And the croupier announced that there would be no more bets. He was right, Banker won that hand.

At this point (if I remember correctly) he said Baccarat has a deep mathematical structure that shouldn't be ignored. I didn't say anything and he clarified that there's a deep mathematical pattern that needs to be recognized and understood, and the more I play, the better I will see it and understand it, but that I had to pay attention. I told him I had been paying attention, but the truth is I'm not sure what to look for as far as pattern and I was talking to my friend between hands every now and then so I suppose I wasn't paying full attention.

He told me not be distracted while in the presence of Baccarat (something like that) and told me not to be a gambler. I asked him what he meant by that though I kind of understood. He said gamblers depend too much on luck, that I should be more informed than that and not be a gambler.

He continued with something like this ... "You lose when you don't pay attention, then blame it on bad luck. Watch the shoe unfold like a flower" He pointed to the screen. He was sooo cute!! Like an old martial arts master from a movie or something!

I've studied meditation and yoga for a long time, so what I usually do is quiet my spirit for a moment before making a decision as to where to go with my bet. I allow my intuition to help me make decisions. I'm fairly new to Baccarat (few months) and I think there may be something to this method if you want to call it that. But I don't know much about this mathematical structure and about recognizing patterns, etc. I recently ordered a couple of books so I can study the game further.

I have questions

Are there any recommended instruction or teachers of Baccarat out there other than the fishy stuff I've seen on youtube?

Is all this silly nonsense? Am I faling into some kind of mystical Baccarat trap? If so I may not mind, does it make a difference either way? I amy as well try something different, right?

PLEASE don't be mean, I've been reading other threads on here and I kind of know what you guys think, but because of my meditation and yoga background, I think maybe there MIGHT be a different approach.

I don't know.

I LOVE this game though! LOVE IT!
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geoff
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:11:15 AM permalink
Baccarat has no pattern. It's essentially a 50/50 shot with a slight edge going to banker even with the commission. The easiest way to realize there is no actual pattern is that if there was, don't you think this guy would be playing $10,000 a hand instead.
gpac1377
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:25:48 AM permalink
Quote: AnabelleT

Is all this silly nonsense?


Yes.
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:38:57 AM permalink
Quote: AnabelleT


Are there any recommended instruction or teachers of Baccarat out there other than the fishy stuff I've seen on youtube?



Member gr8player would be your best bet. He's here often. Your post almost made me think you were talking about him, so he might be what you're looking for.

Keep your mind, and your eyes, open.
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treetopbuddy
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:44:23 AM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Yes.



Hello gpac1377, I trust all is well with you.

You seem to be a little quick on the trigger today. Patterns can be found in random events.

As always, I wish you the best.
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FleaStiff
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:50:26 AM permalink
Mystical metaphysical yoga trap? Heck all you have to do to make money at Baccarat is guess correctly .... for any reason you want, including Yoga.

If you win,,, you can keep the money they give you even if your reasons for placing that bet were absolutely ridiculous.

Instructions? Well, often the players know the rules better than the dealer, but what's to learn???
You got three choices. Player, Banker and Tie. Tie is a sucker bet. That leaves Player and Banker. Player is a smidgen less likely to hit but pas 20:20, whereas Banker is a smidgen more likely to hit which is why it only pays 19:20. (Well, Banker is actually paid out at 20:20 but as you get up to leave they wrestle you to the ground for those accumulated one dollar "commissions" that they have been tracking).
gpac1377
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:58:08 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Hello gpac1377, I trust all is well with you.

You seem to be a little quick on the trigger today. Patterns can be found in random events.

As always, I wish you the best.


Treetop, I can't type when you make me laugh :(

gr8player is our most prominent member who claims to beat the game without employing conventionally recognized advantage-play techniques. He plays part-time in Atlantic City, and has lately been posting weekly trip reports with results. But he only explains his system to a point.

soxfan posted in your other thread, but he doesn't disclose a lot of specifics, which I guess is understandable if he truly wins regularly and decisively.

varmenti posted in detail, but his system was laughable, IMO.

Bottom line, any claim that's contradicted by proven math will be doubted.
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treetopbuddy
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March 23rd, 2014 at 9:10:28 AM permalink
Quote: gpac1377



soxfan posted in your other thread, but he doesn't disclose a lot of specifics, which I guess is understandable if he truly wins regularly and decisively.



No doubt soxfan is one shrewd cat. He has given us very little insight into his play. From what I'm able to glean, he's using a negative progression and is willing to go very deep into his progression. He will not share method of bet selection which is very frustrating for me……kidding, kidding, kidding:-) :-) :-)
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gpac1377
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March 23rd, 2014 at 9:20:02 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

No doubt soxfan is one shrewd cat. He has given us very little insight into his play. From what I'm able to glean, he's using a negative progression and is willing to go very deep into his progression.


Thanks. Yes, soxfan's losses apparently are rare but substantial.

gr8player says he maxes out at 5 units, so he keeps his risk under control.

One possible hazard that treetop and I have noticed is that if you read enough of their posts, you subconsciously pick up their mannerisms, hey hey. Stay well.
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odiousgambit
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March 23rd, 2014 at 9:58:20 AM permalink
Quote: AnabelleT

PLEASE don't be mean



I was thinking about it.

Well, OK.

How did you ever pick Baccarat? I thought maybe your friend introduced you, but it sounds like *you* dragged *her* to the casino, since she didnt play! Edit: never mind how you got started, I saw your other thread.

This Asian guy seems to believe a lot of things people believe from the Orient. These beliefs about Fate and Karma and such are ancient and not scientifically derived. But as you will be able to tell from some of the answers you are getting, some of the nonsense is American and home-grown. One thing you will be able to count on for sure is that the Secrets they know will be mysterious and unfathomable. No one will actually say "when this pattern happens, the Banker is favored" or whatever. You will always be "Grasshopper" who maybe will learn if she can peer through the mists and become Enlightened.

You have come to a site that promotes a more scientific approach, however, the forum itself allows free speech and people who post here can be as full of it as that Asian guy.

I suggest going to Wizaordoffodds.com and checking out FAQs etc there. There is a page on Baccarat too. It is run by the same Wizard as here, but no forum.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/

A bunch of questions answered here

http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/baccarat/
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